There has been tremendous debate in regards vaccines specially for very young babies, can experienced moms give us your opinion, any articles, websites you can personally recommend - the web is saturated with information - it makes it hard to find un bias - non pharmaceutical sponsored information about this extremely important subject.
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Thanks a lot for your input.
Gloria
Hopefully you will get more replies to your post, but for me, I also had concerns regarding vaccines. Whether or not to give them and which ones I thought were necessary and which ones were not. I am lucky to have the wonderful doctor that I do have, but I went to my son’s doctor visit with a schedule of my own and I discussed my plans with the doctor and he was very open and okay with everything that I wanted. I was not aware of alternate schedules at that time, but I did come to find out from my nurse that there were other options.
The link below was my attempt to find out about the alternate schedule that some parents use, but for some reason I can’t remember the name so I will find out and get back to you.
http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html (this link is created by concerned parents who offer alternatives to current recommendations)
Good Luck!!
Sahar
I have no personal experience.
My opinion (after reading several papers) is:
For several serious diseases, there is a certain age when they start to manifest. For example, autism starts at 18 months.
Babies usually have several vaccines before this age. If one thing happens after another, people bind these two things together and say that one is causing another. but also unvaccinated children suffer of autism. There are several large studies showing that the same % of vaccinated and unvaccinated children suffer of autism.
I can give you several links but they all come from here
http://www.newscientist.com/search?query=vaccine+autism&fromdate=&todate=&rbauthors=&rbissueno=&resultview=keyword
Another aspect is that child has to be totally healthy at the time of vaccinating. If your child has cough and doctor says that you can vaccinate, don’t do it. Some month ago, one child died of diphteria vaccine. Child was sick at the time of vaccination and died, probably of diphteria.
Gloria, there is no need to announce that you are giving away karma in your posts. I am going to edit your title. People need to freely help to earn karma, not only help to receive it. It is very generous of you, and you can still give karma to any and every one you wish.
I’m sure you’ve seen these threads. I think many parent have already shared their personal opinions/experiences on them.http://forum.brillkids.com/coffee-corner/autism-and-vaccines/
http://forum.brillkids.com/coffee-corner/dangers-of-vaccination/
Thanks a million to all of you ! I am reading all the links !
I appreciate taking the time to elaborate.
Karma to you. Sincere thanks.
Gloria
Here is a great book: “What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children’s Vaccinations” by Stephanie Cave. I did a lot of research and even talked to a holistic pediatrician and decided not to vax. This book was great and gave info on delayed schedules also.
Thanks a lot Cassidy - will check the book. I share the feeling my pediatrician is a holistic doctor as well - we did vaccinate my daughter when she was a baby but after 2 years old we stopped vaccines and so far so good - no problems. Quite the opposite very healthy child.
Thanks for the resource - K2U
Gloria
In Australia there is currently an epidemic, getting worse, of babies dying of whooping cough or being seriously affected by it, because adults are contracting it and passing it on to youngsters not yet immunised. I’m having a baby, so cant get the immunisation, but will as soon as the baby is born. All carers, like hospital workers, daycare providers etc have to have the whooping cough immunisation now, as it’s deadly. Unfortunately most adults arent immunised against it, and are putting babies at risk. If those babies dont get immunised they are putting other babies at risk. That is NOT fair.
I have had Sophia fully vaccinated and to date there are no problems.
I totally understand how you feel about vaccinations as i felt that way to, but I spoke to a lady who organises the immunisation schedule with the government and she explained what each disease did to a young baby. (Which wasn’t very nice)
Some facts about the diseases,
If your child contrats tetnus it can can not be treated with a single course of antibiotics it is antibiotics for the REST of your life. Tetnus is not just contracted by rusty nails. Tetnus is a bacteria that lives in the soil.
Hep B is not just sexually contracted it can be contrated from needles and can be as easily contracted as walking through bare foot where somebody from the night before with Hep B vomitted even though it has been cleaned off the pavement. There are also to different types of Hep B one is viral and the other is not.
Whooping Cough is still around as Nikita has said and it is true that the older generation are passing it on to unimmunised babies.
This is just some of the facts that I have learnt by looking into it more deeply than reading the trollop on line.
Also each countries immunisation schedule is different. What America immunises against and when is very differnt to Australia and the UK. So maybe wherever you live that is something that you take into consideration as well.
Different countries pharmaceutical standards are different as well. Mayb that is a cause of concern as well?
Read both sides of the story but whatever you do make the most informed choice that you can?
Also ask yourself if your little baby does contract one of the diseases that could be immunised against, How are you going to feel?
Are you planning future overseas travel, what if those countries that you want to go to want you to show proof of immunisation?
If someone in your family unfortunately gets cancer and are on chemo or radiotherapy are you aware that your child is a huge health risk to the person with cancer, because although they may not have the disease they can pass it on to the cancer pat who does not have the immune system to fight it?
The risk of Autism is relatively low and there is not enough research to prove that immunisation causes Autism.
I understand that this is a big decision and yes I am pro immunisation now, once I got all the facts. I hope this helps even though I am biased towards immunisation.
Kimba
I was too scared about these diseases which sound awful. I was also schocked to learn that most recent cases of Polio came from the vax. And, many times it is the children who are vaccinated that come down with the diseases. Also, there are holistic cures for most things. Tetanus was the most scary for me and that can be taken care of with alternative medicine. If you catch it quickly it isn’t hard to treat. So, I decided that all the chemicals in the shots were worse than the slight chance of actually contracting any of these diseases. I was very sick as a child, and after 30 years a holistic problem made me well in 4 days so I’m not one for traditional medicine. But, I think every parent should do their research and make the decision that is right for their family.
It would be scary if there was an epidemic like the one in Austrailia, but luckily I haven’t found anything like that in my area.
Hi
There are so many websites n books if u want to refer.Few are listed below
www.thinktwice.com
www.nvic.com
www.aapsonline.com
www.originofaids.com
www.new-atlantear.com/global
And few books are
*Dangers of compulsory immunizations-Thomas Finn.
*Every second child-Archie Kalerkerinos,MD
*Hidden Dangers in polio vaccine-Eleanor McBean
*How to raise a healthy child in spite of ur doctor-Robert Mendelsohn,MD
*Immunization Decision:Guide for Parents-Randall Neustaedter.
after reading all this we decided not to vaccinate our son.
My little boy (2yo) hasn’t had one injection.
I met a woman whose daughter got autism after her daughter was given the meningoccocal injections. Her two kids had contacted whooping cough. She said to me, “I could help cure my children from whooping cough, but I can’t cure my daughter from autism”.
A guy I work with, his daughter has CP. I asked him how she got it. When she had the Hep B injectioned at 2 days, she stopped breathing. The nurses didn’t catch it, the doctor took his time. It was too late. (Hep B - the most controversial injection - you can only get Hep B from blood or sex - where would a child get this from!)
Most chiropractors do not immunise their children. Many peadtricians don’t immunise either - you just have to ask. I have 2 other friends who haven’t touched injections.
But yes, there are concerns! There is a profressor/researcher at Swinbourne University here in Australia who has done 20 years research into using homeopathy. His name is Isaac Golden. He has written many books on his research and his programme that he has worked on. We have our little boy on this programme. His success has been astounding.
All the best with your choice. It’s a hard one, but once you’ve made your mind up - a relief.
I higly reccomend the book “How to raise a vaccine free child”
I’ve made the decision not to vaccinate, it wasn’t easy but I know I made the right choice
Hi…
As you cited, the web is saturated with pros and cons of vaccinations. So it has become a matter of personal choice to have your child vaccinated. As for me, I had my son fully vaccinated, till now no problems. Back here in India, we can’t imagine the life without those jabs. Till now, I haven’t come across any child having any side effects from vaccines. From my personal experiences, I have a cousin down with polio, since her parents couldn’t give her oral polio drops. She is 27 now and its hard to see how she manages. Here pediatricians are recommending all the parents who can afford to go for optional vaccines like varicella, pneumovax, apart from the schedule of vaccines. I have the feeling that my child is so precious that I want to prevent him from contracting these dreadful diseases. My sister in law, who is a homeopath has told me about alternative vaccines available, homeopathic nosodes. But I am still to gather information about that. I think choosing what is good for your child depending on your living conditions would be a better option.
Take Care
anjie
My daughter is 18 mos. and has barely been ill. No ear infection, 2 colds. Thats it. we chose not to vaccinate, despite our doctors urging. every time we go to a check up he is dismayed by our steadfastness and her heartiness.
We were bullied into the Hep B at the hospital when she was only minutes old. after we did the research and found out how hep B is contracted, we were furious. I don’t think I need to worry about a newborn contracting sexually transmitted diseases. They made it sound like she could easily pick it up anywhere.
After we did the research we decided against vaccinatons. Looking back,I know we made the right decision. At the time it was very difficult. many a sleepless night was spent worrying. I think my daughters clean bill of health is due to NOT vaccinating.
Do the research, go with your gut, and be strong.
hi
its very imporyant to give your baby vaccines you will save him or her from diseases that could japredize baby"s life> some people may have the right to be afraid from vaccine those peolpe who have family history of autosim cuz they find these two have a relation !!!
there is a good tv show (the doctors) u can check they talk about concerns on one of the episode u go to web site and archive
www.thedoctorstv.com
I am attaching some information for you to look at.
From the DVD “Are Vaccines Safe”
The question of the century for all parents should be, are vaccines safe? Mary Tocco answers in precise detail in this DVD presentation the most frequently asked questions about vaccine safety. The DVD features toxicologist M.D., Phillip DeMio, who vaccinated his own son and watched in horror as he slipped into severe autism. He tells his story and shares how he has dedicated his life to helping vaccine injured children in Ohio. Dr. DeMio, like many medical doctors, was not aware of the problems with vaccines until vaccines injured his own child. His story is shocking! This is the most important health care decision you will ever make for your children. This DVD is perfect for the board room, public events or can also be shared with your doctor before you make your vaccine decision.
From the DVD “Saying No To Vaccines”
“Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide for All Ages” is not just about childhood vaccinations. It shines a light on the 25 most common misconceptions about vaccines and addresses problems with vaccines in all age groups. Adults are faced with an increasing number of vaccine requirements and many have been severely injured by vaccination. Being older does not automatically make vaccination safe. You will discover information here to help international travelers, healthcare workers, nursing home workers & residents, adoptions, college students, those in the military…and more!
Along with 320 pages of text and tables, “Saying No to Vaccines” includes a 75 minute DVD by Dr. Tenpenny, discussing the history of mandatory vaccination and concerns about the HPV cervical cancer vaccine called Gardasil.
Here are some links to some good resources:
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-CDCV.html
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-CDCV.html
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-AVS.html
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-SNTV.html
Hope that helps answer your questions.
Here is an article on vaccines from actor Jim Carrey: The Judgement on Vaccines Is In
Jim Carrey
Huffington Post
Thursday, April 23, 2009
Recently, I was amazed to hear a commentary by CNN’s Campbell Brown on the controversial vaccine issue. After a ruling by the ’special vaccine court’ saying the Measles, Mumps, Rubella shot wasn’t found to be responsible for the plaintiffs’ autism, she and others in the media began making assertions that the judgment was in, and vaccines had been proven safe. No one would be more relieved than Jenny and I if that were true. But with all due respect to Ms. Brown, a ruling against causation in three cases out of more than 5000 hardly proves that other children won’t be adversely affected by the MMR, let alone that all vaccines are safe. This is a huge leap of logic by anyone’s standards. Not everyone gets cancer from smoking, but cigarettes do cause cancer. After 100 years and many rulings in favor of the tobacco companies, we finally figured that out.
The truth is that no one without a vested interest in the profitability of vaccines has studied all 36 of them in depth. There are more than 100 vaccines in development, and no tests for cumulative effect or vaccine interaction of all 36 vaccines in the current schedule have ever been done. If I’m mistaken, I challenge those who are making such grand pronouncements about vaccine safety to produce those studies.
If we are to believe that the ruling of the ‘vaccine court’ in these cases mean that all vaccines are safe, then we must also consider the rulings of that same court in the Hannah Polling and Bailey Banks cases, which ruled vaccines were the cause of autism and therefore assume that all vaccines are unsafe. Clearly both are irresponsible assumptions, and neither option is prudent.
In this growing crisis, we cannot afford to blindly trumpet the agenda of the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) or vaccine makers. Now more than ever, we must resist the urge to close this book before it’s been written. The anecdotal evidence of millions of parents who’ve seen their totally normal kids regress into sickness and mental isolation after a trip to the pediatrician’s office must be seriously considered. The legitimate concern they and many in the scientific community have that environmental toxins, including those found in vaccines, may be causing autism and other disorders (Aspergers, ADD, ADHD), cannot be dissuaded by a show of sympathy and a friendly invitation to look for the ‘real’ cause of autism anywhere but within the lucrative vaccine program.
With vaccines being the fastest growing division of the pharmaceutical industry, isn’t it possible that profits may play a part in the decision-making? That the vaccine program is becoming more of a profit engine than a means of prevention? In a world left reeling from the catastrophic effects of greed, mismanagement and corporate insensitivity, is it so absurd for us to wonder why American children are being given twice as many vaccines on average, compared to the top 30 first world countries?
Paul Offit, the vaccine advocate and profiteer, who helped invent a Rotavirus vaccine is said to have paved the way for his own multi-million dollar windfall while serving on the very council that eventually voted his Rotavirus vaccine onto our children’s schedule. On August 21, 2000 a congressional investigation’s report titled, “Conflicts in Vaccine Policy,†stated:
It has become clear over the course of this investigation that the VRBPAC and the ACIP [the two main advisory boards that determine the vaccine schedule] are dominated by individuals with close working relationships with the vaccine producers. This was never the intent of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, which requires that a diversity of views be represented on advisory committees.
Isn’t that enough to raise questions about the process of choosing the vaccine schedule?
With many states like Minnesota now reporting the number at 1 in 80 children affected with autism, can we afford to trust those who serve two masters or their logic that tells us “one size fits all†when it comes to vaccines? Can we afford to ignore vaccines as a possible cause of these rising numbers when they are one of the fastest growing elements in our children’s environment? With all the doubt that’s left hanging on this topic, how can anyone in the media or medical profession, boldly demand that all parents march out and give their kids 36 of these shots, six at a time in dosage levels equal to that given a 200 pound man? This is a bias of the most dangerous kind.
I’ve also heard it said that no evidence of a link between vaccines and autism has ever been found. That statement is only true for the CDC, the AAP and the vaccine makers who’ve been ignoring mountains of scientific information and testimony. There’s no evidence of the Lincoln Memorial if you look the other way and refuse to turn around. But if you care to look, it’s really quite impressive. For a sample of vaccine injury evidence go to www.generationrescue.org/lincolnmemorial.html.
We have never argued that people shouldn’t be immunized for the most serious threats including measles and polio, but surely there’s a limit as to how many viruses and toxins can be introduced into the body of a small child. Veterinarians found out years ago that in many cases they were over-immunizing our pets, a syndrome they call Vaccinosis. It overwhelmed the immune system of the animals, causing myriad physical and neurological disorders. Sound familiar? If you can over-immunize a dog, is it so far out to assume that you can over-immunize a child? These forward thinking vets also decided to remove thimerosal from animal vaccines in 1992, and yet this substance, which is 49% mercury, is still in human vaccines. Don’t our children deserve as much consideration as our pets?
I think I’d rather listen to the more sensible voice of Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institute of Health, who says:
Listen to the patients and the patients will teach…I think there is an inexcusable issue, and that’s the lack of research that’s been done here…A parent can legitimately question giving a one-day old baby, or a two-day old baby [the] Hepatitis B vaccine that has no risk for it [and] the mother has no risk for it. That’s a heavy-duty vaccine given on day two [of life]. I think those are legitimate questions.
Dr. Healy is also calling for a long overdue study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Dr. Frank Engly, a researcher and microbiologist who served on the boards of the CDC, FDA and EPA during the 70s and 80s, warned:
The CDC cannot afford to admit thimerosal is toxic because they have been promoting it for several years…If they would have followed through with our 1982 report, vaccines would have been freed of thimerosal and all this autism as they tell me would not have occurred. But as it is, it all occurred.
In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. While ingredients like aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze may help preserve and enhance vaccines, they can be toxic as well. The assortment of viruses delivered by multiple immunizations may also be a hazard. I agree with the growing number of voices within the medical and scientific community who believe that vaccines, like every other drug, have risks as well as benefits and that for the sake of profit, American children are being given too many, too soon. One thing is certain. We don’t know enough to announce that all vaccines are safe!
If the CDC, the AAP and Ms. Brown insist that our children take twice as many shots as the rest of the western world, we need more independent vaccine research not done by the drug companies selling the vaccines or by organizations under their influence. Studies that cannot be internally suppressed. Answers parents can trust. Perhaps this is what Campbell Brown should be demanding and how the power of the press could better serve the public in the future.
– Jim Carrey
We have decided to not vaccinate at this point we may do so when she is older we have not decided. Although these diseases are scary so are the vaccinations and many outbreaks are caused by the vaccines themselves. After all they are putting small amounts of that disease into your child to help develop resistance. But not every child fights it off.
We have been doing a lot of reading and talk to a naturopath as well.
I found Dr.Sears, The Vaccine Book, to be an invaluable resource on this overwhelming subject. He gives the pros and cons, information regarding specific ingredients of concern, and his opinion. He also gives 2 alternative vaccination schedules… one for parents who want to do everything “by the book”-- but in the safest way possible-- and one for parents who feel uncomfortable giving their child any vaccines. He also offers great tips to boost your child’s immune system just before and after receiving a vaccine in effort to avoid the most common side effects.