Too late for Doman Math?

Early Learning Teaching Your Child Math
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Hi
I joined this site and was overwhelmed with the vast knowledge it offers. Just few days back I came across the ‘Doman Math’ method, started reading and assembling the cards. And today to my disappointment, read that this method is not recommended for 3+. My son is 3 1/2. kinda feeling that there is darkness at the end of the tunnel :frowning:
If it’s absolute ‘no’…‘no’ for Doman Math. Are there any other possibilities that I could explore?

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From what I read, it is usually too late for Doman math, although there are exceptions.

The part that is too late is the recognitions of randomly placed items. However, from what I’ve read, you can group object into 5s and/or 10 and teach number recognition that way. You can also teach the math concepts. It may take them a little longer for it to become second nature, but they can still learn to do mental math. And even though it may not be as quick or as effective as the children started learning at birth, it will be better than children who aren’t introduced to math until kindergarten. :slight_smile:

Now, I know there are some in this forum that know a lot more about teaching math than I do. I’ll look forward to your posts. :slight_smile:

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Domanmom started when her son was 30 months old. This is what she has to say about teaching math and the results with an “older” toddler:

http://worldsbesteducation.blogspot.com/2008/11/math-mystery.html

You could always start with Montessori math which I feel is a natural progression from the way the math is taught with the Doman method and what the next step of math might look like for children who are taught using Doman’s method.
A good jumping ground would be: http://eiu.edu/~cfsjy/mts/math/_link.htm

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Thanks THen and Purplefungi :slight_smile:
Though I taught him countings 1s,5s, 10s, 100s and 1000s. He also does simple counting in 3 languages. I never had a chance to go for anything visual like ‘doman math’ and after learning it at this point I was wondering what are other options. Your posts helped! I am gonna look into the link purplefungi gave in detail

Thanks! :slight_smile:

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Fungimom-

Thanks for the links to Montessori math. I’ve been told it’s even too late to teach my 15mo old Doman math. I’ll check out Domanmom’s experience. I’d like to not pull my hair out. But it is a bit stressful coming in to this “late” in the game. I just have to remind myself, my kids will still learn, whether I do this or not. : )

Edited to say that the linkto Domanmom’s blog was great. I’m now thinking about trying the math program again- but probably not with my 4yo.

Angie

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I love that post from Elizabeth (domanmom)!

Here are some pictures from the web of Montessori math activities (sometimes it helps to have a visualization of what they are):

sandpaper numbers (children not only can put them in order, they can feel them. Tactile learners would do well with these.)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/ep11904/VUkw1834472.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/ep11904/GBEADS-3.jpg

Spindle box (I have these. All you do is place the correct number of spindles in each division. I love that it includes a slot for “0.”)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/ep11904/spindle_boxes.jpg

Montessori math is very hands-on. It’s great because children who cannot write yet can still participate in math-related activities. It is also very visual. You can see in these pictures that the children can obtain a very good sense of what numbers mean.
(Number rods)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/ep11904/18SmNumbers.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/ep11904/untitled-2.jpg

I was poking around the Internet and found some videos on how to teach the math lessons:

http://www.ehow.com/video_4403346_the-hundreds-board-montessori-material.html

Some Montessori things look rather fancy but can be made from items that are found at home or from printables off the Internet:

http://montessorimom.com/montessori-free-printouts-downloads/
http://www.montessoriforeveryone.com/Free-Downloads_ep_35-1.html
http://lapazfarm.homeschooljournal.net/some-montessori-activities/

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I studied in a Montessori school and loved Math. however I was just trying to get enough points to get a doidcount for LM when I ran into this thread. My boy is about to turn 3. I have shown him the dot cards, but he does not pay much attention to them. when I “test” him he recognizes quantities from 1-10 almost always. I was hoping to get LM since he seemed to like it much more than the cards (I used the beta version). What do you suggest …should I continue with this, or just hop in to Montessori? Anyone have experience on this?

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Thanks Purplefungi for such a detail post. It shows so much research and time you must have spent! montessory method is new too me and something interesting for people like me who are starting late like me

karma point to you :slight_smile:

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My son is 2 years and 2 months and shows very little interest in the math cards and Little Math, but this is just my son. If yours likes the 1-10 numbers then LM might be the way to go for you. I would kill for my little man to be interested in math! It looks like I am in the same situation as you kind of.

I need to try using LM with the Thomas the Train icons and see how my son does. He may like LM better if it has something that he likes.

Thanks! Anything for you guys! :slight_smile:

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The “too late” concept applies to babies’ ability to recognize number quantities at a glance (subitization). Little Math is much more than just that. LM introduces the whole world of numbers to your child so that he starts to understand the concept of quantity, then numerals, then simple arithmetic concepts all the way to long equations and mixed equations.

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hi
my daughter is 2 years but not intersted in math!!! do i start with dot 1-100 how i do it just tell her this is the number ???

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We have the red dot cards and are doing them at 17 months. I hadn’t read that 15 months was too late. Yikes am I wasting my time?

kettyrain I holdupthe dot card and say “5” just the number nothing else and move to the next one.

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Hi! Here are a couple of threads that talk about a child losing the ability to instantly recognize quantities. I thought they were helpful.

http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-child-math/anyone-get-results-from-doman-math-method/45/

http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-child-math/anyone-get-results-from-doman-math-method/45/

As for how to do the Doman method, I found the following to be helpful.

http://forum.brillkids.com/general-discussion-b5/gentle-revolution-and-glenn-doman’s-method/

I think Little Math is great and a great help in making my prep. time shorter.

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excellent information thank you for sharing.

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thanks for sharing.
LM omly in english and i need arabic
so i will try to understand the concept and try to make my own cards and ppt.but still not conviced about giving dots first and in the middle give addition substraction on dots!!! and so…
i need to know more

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Thanks purplefungi for the Montessori links.

I’ll have to “study” them carefully :slight_smile:

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Thanks all moms!

I have the same question too as my daughter is 28 month now!! I have shown her red dots when she was younger but since I have returned to work, I did not have much time to show the flash card and we stopped the program!

I am now playing the dot card with my 5-month old baby and she seems enjoying it. Well, each time when I flashed the card, she will wave both her hands and legs and I assume she is excited! Hopefully I can continue with this one. But I worry that after I go to work (december), how can I keep this up.

I need to read all the links you all post! Thanks a lot

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Too late for doman maths doesn’t mean too late for math per se …

You can try daily activities like counting fingers, cars, birds etc on daily activity or routine … lik egoing to pre schools etc … it gives them a feel of quantities … this are for older than 2 or 3 toddlers … in fact you can start for 15mh child and she gets a rough idea …

and during meal time if she likes cereals or crackers … just do simple counting addition and subtraction … they will gradually get a hang of it … you just need to use key words … like “you have 2 crackers in the bowl, i add 3 more crackers and you have 5” "so 2 + 3 = 5 crackers … and then clap our hand and laugh together … everyday item is quantity and quantity is maths … just that they don’t know the word add or plus, subtract or minus etc … so you have to use it to introduce it to them, and then gradually progress to marbles or blocks etc … to increase the numbers … its simple montessori style … ( i thought the method was well known … afterall GD did copy its maths from montessori …although it did not accredit it) You can see that montessori uses actual physical product for extra tactile effect … GD simply puts it on paper … and he figures babies can be though quantities … but lets face it all babies and most do know maths … just that they don’t know the word for it and the word for +. So really we are teaching them language … i mean you may know maths in english but if you go japan you have no idea that they are speaking about equations in japanese right?? so they have to write the equation on a board assuming if its the same written … if not then they have to use figurative means to show you what they mean by “san” means “3” … so they just show you 3 dots … and wow you got the meaning straight away but you didn’t know it was “san”… they vocal is to link the 3 dots to the word “san” and subsequently you link the sound "san"to the written word “san”…

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Oops forgot … anyway just wanna say … don’t be too uptied about missing the window of opportunity … be it LM or Montessori … idea is to do it often do it using the right key words … and expose …

the only problem is … say if you did very succesfuly using GD or shichida maths … and they gained this instant maths calculation … you need to consistently keep it up, keep it interesting, keep it progressive and challanging … if not they will lose interest and subsequently lose that ability … so there is alot of followup … and if our own maths are not … you know deep enough … we will have to dig deep to hire someone to impart such skills …

its like playing the piano … you can teach the basics … but without further practice and guidance … well you know the outcome …

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That’s a very good reply trinity papa … I agree, Math is like learning a new language, but it’s just a very “different” style of language. So kids can always pick up on it, the way they would pick up a new language if you immerse them enough … they will start to see the “pattern” after some time and they will finally “get it”.
But ofcourse it’s easier to learn a language when you are younger; however, you can still get the hang of it when you are a little older and even become fluent with practice.
I wish that I had started the math program with my son earlier too. He is 2 years old now. He is very interested in reading books, but when it comes to math, I can tell that it’s something new for him, something that he is not familiar with … like he is just trying to put it all together, trying to “figure it out” the pattern. Like there is a pattern to reading (moving eyes left to right, phonetic sounds, word recognition) there is a pattern to math (quantities, symbols, addition, etc) which the kids have to become familiar with. So my aim is that hopefully i can “immerse” him in maths enough to where he starts to see a pattern of it. I don’t know if this will work, but i want to be positive and have faith that he CAN learn the math language. :wub: