Teaching a 4 year old

Parenting and Education (Other) After Early Learning
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Glad to be of Help !!

Any more parents interested in a new forum category for older kids? Pls reply to see if we can organized and share tips- Time is of the essence for everyone but specially for older kids - no time to reinvent the wheel !!

Together we can all achieve more !!

Great Weekend everyone !!

Gloria

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It would be really great with a new forum for older kids!!!

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I’m interested…count me in :slight_smile:

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Gloria,

Thanks so much for your reply. How much time did you spend doing the doman math with her? Just the recommended time? You are so dedicated! I love all your post- great links too.

An older kid forum would be great- I’ll be there!

Angie

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Count me in too!
Gloria, that’s great to hear that you did Doman math for your daughter. Would you post your experience as how it went when you started and whether you did any modifications to adapt to an older child? my son is 3 1/2 and I read at so many places that it was too late for doman math. so would like to read your experience.

the critical thinking site you recommended is good too. I looked at some of the books and samples they are offering, looks good.

karma point for you!

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I am totally interested in a new forum category for older kids. I can use all of your help.

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It would be great to have a forum for older kids! Thanks Gloria for the suggestion and all your sharings.

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Sure thing, will open up a “Teaching Your Older Child” board tomorrow! :slight_smile:

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Woo-hoo! Yeah!!! :slight_smile:

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Thanks for quick action, KL :slight_smile:
This forum is growing with our kids :wink:

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Pretty soon we’ll be sending them off to Yale! :blink:

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Thanks KL!

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Thanks a million KL ! Your prompt reply is much appreciated - and I agree with Nikollet This forum is growing with our kids !!

Thanks again !!
Karma to you KL!!

Gloria

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Thanks KL!!

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Doman Mom contributed with a great post about teaching older children math - I just read it! I want to conect it to this post. It clarify important points about teaching older children math. I will be posting my personal experience with Leena later on today. - Good day every one !!

http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-child-math/phone-conversation-with-the-iahp/?a=1

Gloria

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Hello everyone, sorry for the delay . I was out of town for a few days. In regards Math as I said before I am not the most qualified person to talk or advice as my case is not the typical case and I have done so many changes – hard to tell what exactly helped the most. But I know exactly how you guys are feeling as I am still looking and will always be – for better and more comprehensive methods for my daughter needs.

Answer for the 2 questions posted:

  1. How it went when you started and whether you did any modifications to adapt to an older child?
    It went fine at the beginning as it was a new activity and I made an extreme effort to make it fun and kept a good attitude about it, but as I introduced so many BITS the pictures and sounds were more interesting than the dots – I could see that she sat for the math lesson but I had the feeling she was not really enjoying it as much as the others. She likes pretend play so I used this to tell her that ie: Cinderella was teaching her today the dots then I got a puppet to say “1 2 ready go!! “ and I will do the session super extra fast and then the puppet will praise her lots and move on with something else she enjoy more.

I noticed that she was not volunteering answers as she does with the bits (that is how I know when to retire bits as she start screaming the names before I can read them, time to retire). It never happened with the dots. So I started showing her the dots with patters ie five dots in line for 5 just as LM presents them (genius) but LM didn’t existed then. This worked very well she started earning confidence so I showed the quantities in rows 3s - 4s - 5s 10s and she started learning very quickly to count by 3s, 4s, 5s, etc… and also identifying at sight 6,9,12,15 up to 20 or 4, 8 , 12, 16 etc… with no problem.

Then I went to operations with numbers as she knew the numerals already and while doing 3+2 = 5 or 2 + 2 = 4 and so on (many of these simply additions 15 per day) she started getting familiar with small additions and then surprise 2 + __= 4 She loved this “ The X game” so I did these equations while at the same time teaching her geometry, graphs, roman numbers, Cartesian plane, number lines, etc… math is so much more than dots !! we need to keep it interesting and offer variety all the time; to keep the interest up for MATH www.criticalthinking.com logic and math books are terrific.

  1. How much time I spent doing Doman with her? (I started at 4 years old)
    I did 2 sessions per day of dots (3 minutes max).
    I did ONE set of pattern dots that presented twice per day (ie. five dots in a row for quantity 5) this took 2 min max -
    I did 1 set of bits always of math related topics ie Roman numbers, angles, telling time etc… (2 min) - Doman advice you to do bits 3 times but for math as I wasn’t sure what was going on I did only 2 sets per day.

I added math books when she was 4.5 years old. I typically present to her 5 or 6 books and she picks 2 or 3 she wants to work on and we do 2 or 3 pages per book – this takes us 15 min max. Now days takes longer because we have more complex books but when I started – 15 min max.

Plus it was very important to add math to every day activities, counting apples, I would place them in groups of 2s or 3s always no more ones … etc…

I knew for instant math, quantities need to be processed by the right brain, So I followed very closely the Right Brain training and games and relaxation techniques. I have found that while playing and specially pretend play I can teach her anything and she enjoys it tremendously – this alpha state I learned with Right Brain and I know it has helped with math and other subjects. (Babies live in a permanent alpha state of mind that is one of the reasons why the training at young age works so well).

A bit of History:
When I read the books I was very worry about the 4 year old cut off for math; then I decided immediately to take the seminars. While attending the seminars I was very happy and excited about the possibilities but extremely sad and disappointed at my late discovery of all these methods (4 year old is old in Doman).

At the seminars every day you have a different lectures and after the lectures you have a LIVE presentation from the kids at the IAHP International School ages 1.5 to 12 years old, they just have a class in front of our class in the auditorium and we all get to appreciate the way they think, process information and solve problems of all kinds.

Well one of the girls that Impressed me the most is Molly currently 9 years old. She is fantastic, very good at everything, very smart and funny – kind of the perfect picture. I started inquiring about my favorite kids (Molly and Samuel, who is currently 8 or 9 and speaks 9 languages plus is good at everything else they do, gymnastics, violin, math, Latin, etc… well rounded child).

I found out that Molly started the program at 5 years old – Now my heart is jumping up and down – there is hope !! - then I discover Molly happen to be a DOMAN – like from the Doman family IAHP so … all hope in doubt again ---- it may be genes …. It may be special treatment – special resources or routines or programs that I could not emulate. As I was wondering one of the organizers of the seminar that knew about my concerns introduced me to Molly’s mom who told me her story and in short she is not close to the Doman’s family and wasn’t in any program until age 5, ALSO Molly was ADOPTED !! so no genes involved !!

Molly is the Living proof that kids can do outstanding math even if they start late, They can do great analysis and figure out very advanced math. It is a matter of persistence and steady exposure to the math in creative ways.

It is a matter of raising the expectations we have for what our kids can and will achieve and as I stated before have faith, be respectful of our children wishes and needs and do your best.

I wish they will allow videos of these math classes (older children) to be published – it will help so many parents like me to find encouragement and discipline to continue the program for years.

I hope this helps

Gloria

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I forgot to mention that nowdays I still do dots but I use the Little Math for the dot training, I have customized the Doman equations and show 10 per day once, She likes to see the dots in chinese and japanese so I allow her to see them. We are also using the multiplication tables.

Leena likes LM very much I strongly reccomend LM for anyone with an older kids.

The newest thing I have added to her math curriculum per say is the Abacus training. Recently someone posted here at the forum a video from http://mathsecret.com/e/index-page-2.html - so I did some research and talked to the director twice (James Wu) we are going to start the training this week. My daughter will be 5 next week - At mathsecret they advice parents to start the program at 2.5 years old - I will keep posting our progress here.

Everyone have a great weekend!!

Gloria

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Thanks Gloria!
That was such a great post and efforts from you. You gave me hope and inspired me :slight_smile:
I think I will also do doman math with him. My rbkids dvds hasn’t come yet. but as you suggested I will complement the doman math with these right brain dvds and later on move to criticalthinking books.

You wouldn’t imagine how happy I am reading your posts. Thanks once again and a big karma point for you!

:slight_smile:

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You are welcome - Glad to be here !!

Hello everyone, recently I came across these websites and great articles that help understand the new role of education on the 21st century.

See article attached and more in the following Link:

Five Minds for the Future
By Professor Howard Gardner - COPYRIGHT Howard Gardner 2008

Note: This paper was given as an oral presentation at the Ecolint Meeting in Geneva, January 13, 2008. It has been edited only in the interest of clarity.

http://www.howardgardner.com/Papers/papers.html

see also :
Five Minds for the Future
They include:

The Disciplinary Mind: the mastery of
major schools of thought, including
science, mathematics, and history, and of
at least one professional craft.

The Synthesizing Mind: the ability to
integrate ideas from different disciplines
or spheres into a coherent whole and to
communicate that integration to others.

The Creating Mind: the capacity to
uncover and clarify new problems,
questions and phenomena.

The Respectful Mind: awareness of and
appreciation for differences among
human beings and human groups.

The Ethical Mind: fulfillment of one’s
responsibilities as a worker and as a
citizen.

http://www.amazon.com/Minds-Viewed-Globally-Personal-Introduction/dp/B001GLLQ4Q/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241584530&sr=8-7

Lastly my favorite: http://www.pz.harvard.edu/index.cfm

Everyone have a great week !!

Gloria

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Hay guys what is LR/ LM?
Pls help
Starfall is too good. Is there any other site where we can do free downloads. My daughter is 3 and I donno from where to start.
She will start her montessori training this year. i donno if I should start Doman or any other method at this stage. pls suggest.

Pls help