Recommendations for good Abacus program

Hey Pokerdad,

Sorry I’ve been tardy with my responses. You just ask such good questions that I can’t do it justice by writing a short dinky little response. I’m writing a detailed explanation of the Dan level system on my website and I’ll update you when I’m done.

I’m currently getting ready for a Soroban contest in march (I’m entering this time) so i’ll post my preparation drills as a guide to what might work for you.

I’ll also make a post about the curriculum I use to teach Soroban. The stages of development and landmarks that I look for before moving on (also another post, see really great questions :))

Finally about the mechanical Soroban vs non mechanical. I personally don’t allow students to use a “onetouch” (mechanical) soroban until they get into the advanced level. It’s partially a motivational decision (students feel like they earned a “onetouch” soroban and will work to get it) and partially to prevent students from messing themselves up (many kids accidentally erase their answers).

part of the reason you might be having difficulty resetting your soroban without the button is because you might have a “cheap” Soroban. I don’t know exactly what you have, so I can’t say for certain. But a lot of the lower-end Soroban’s have beads that move erratically due to a combination of the weight of the beads, material they’re made from and distance that the bead must/can move. To give you an idea of what I would consider Low-end: in my classes I use a Soroban that costs about $100 without the button. That’s not a marked up price, it’s almost at cost when we import them from Japan.

It’s not to say it’s impossible to learn Soroban without good equipment, but I believe that equipment should be “good enough” not to get in the way of learning. For me “good enough” is this quality of Soroban, any lower and I wouldn’t be able to use it correctly.

Please look forward to my posts.

Tom

Good Afternoon.

I look forward to your posts Soroban.

As you recall, I bought for my children the Pacchi and the US-100, (from http://www.kidenergy.com/abacus.html); and the soroban we received with the workbooks is plastic and can be seen here: http://www.nurtureminds.com/soroban-abacus.htm

What do you recommend for them to use next from these choices?:

http://www.soroban.com/english/shopping/

Or do you recommend another source that we can order from?

Also, my children are in their 2nd year of a Montessori pre-school, with activity descriptions below:

http://www.infomontessori.com/mathematics/introduction.htm

Prior to pre-school last year, they learned Doman math and LM. Last year in Pre-School 1, they were doing multiplication on the Pythagoras board (no idea what it is). And I believe they are working on the decimal system now. At home, I have them work through the Kumon workbooks, and have almost completed the 1st level (a diagram on the back of the books).

http://kumonbooks.com/catalog/catalog_workbooks-numbers.aspx

I have them working on Numbers 1 - 30 for handwriting practice, and will work through the other ‘numbers’ books, but wonder when should I use the “simple addition” book with them? Would it interfere with learning soroban?

I began the first two lessons for the workbooks, and just received another set of books last night, and will begin again soon. I am inclined to let them finish this workbook first (in the next week):

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4774307033/qid=1126722986/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1?v=glance&s=books

and then begin where we left off. Also, as I understand it, we should work through a lesson each week for 2 hours (I think?) and practice daily for 30 minutes. But how should they practice? And I did not quite understand how to set up simple 1 digit worksheets using this widget at the bottom of this link:

http://www.nurtureminds.com/worksheets/math.php

What do you recommend? And do you teach via wiziq?

Thank you.

Hi Tom!

I too am eagerly looking forward to reading your posts about

  • the Dan level system
  • the curriculum you use to teach Soroban
  • stages of development and what you look for before moving to the next stage

I don’t know how familiar you are with the soroban-teaching schools coming out of Malaysia, but is there any difference, as far as you know, in the way they teach soroban in the Japanese vs Malaysian schools? My daughter goes to a Malaysian-based school called SIP Academy: http://www.sipacademy.com/ It is a pretty big organization and they hold annual international competitions and such. I am curious if there is a significant difference between the Japanese schools and the Malaysian ones.

Also, can you recommend where I can get an abacus that would “live up to your standards?” lol Or maybe can I order one from you (shipping to Chicago)? I think that having a good instrument is a fundamental and indispensable requisite in learning soroban, much like learning to play a musical instrument. It is certainly a worthwhile investment if one is serious about learning Anzan!

Lastly, I would like to thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with all of us here on this forum! Karma to you! :smiley:

Hi guys,

I just wanted to update you about the Dan Level System.

Basically, the Dan Level System works by testing a students abilities to solve a number of problems in a set amount of time. The number of problems they can solve correctly determines their Dan Level. The Dan Level system is administered by the Zenkoku Shuzan Renmei. Unfortunately, their website is in Japanese so I’ve translated some of the basic information about Dan Levels. You can read all about it here[s]http://www.learnsoroban.com/2012/01/01/dan/the-rules-of-engagement-a-basic-explanation-of-dan-tests-in-soroban/[/s]

I hope you enjoy it, and can leave me a comment on the article or this thread so I can help answer any other questions you might have. I would also love to hear from you, if you just liked the article :slight_smile:

Thanks,
Tom

UPDATE: I goofed on the URL here is the right one http://www.learnsoroban.com/2012/02/06/dan/the-rules-of-engagement-a-basic-explanation-of-dan-tests-in-soroban/

Sorry about that,
Tom

Great article, Tom! Thank you for sharing.

If I understood the article correctly, does it mean that, theoretically, it is possible to achieve 10th Dan even if you can’t do Anzan (since you can choose to do 3 out of 4 of the optional sections (Anzan, Denpyo, Kaihou, or Word Problems)? Also, how is Kyu different from Dan and how do you determine the different Kyu levels?

A video of little kids doing dan-level anzan. OMG such geniuses and it looks like they’re having loads of fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J6t1j38TaM

Thanks for posting!

10th Dan before she’s 6 years old? WOW

Any of these kids can do 10 of those multiplication problems before I can do one via traditional methods on paper. It really is impressive.

I really hope there’s a good school or instructor in my area when the time is right.

This girl is using an older style 1/5 soroban-the bottom five beads were reduced to four beads in Japan in 1938. The extra earth bead might make subtraction more efficient. The extra bead is not used in this drill exercise.

Drill is 1+2+3…….+100 which equals 50x101.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VisGOjfPRKI&feature=related

Chris.

aangeles,

Yes, you can pass the Soroban 10th dan without Anzan in Japan.
In the US, the Word problems haven’t been translated into English so we kinda have our hands tied on that. It’s also our school’s philosophy that Anzan should be an important skill to develop, so we’re not too concerned about that “handicap”

Hi PokerDad

Another example of a warm up drill-see above for an earlier example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6mdcb6ndMg

Chris.