News Feature: Mom sends six kids to college by age 12

I miss all of you on the forum, but as some may already know, I’ve been uber swamped lately … BUT, I came across this (although I haven’t had time to check it out yet), and immediately thought of sharing it with all of you … and especially some of you (you should know who you are). Let me know what ya think and enjoy!

http://www.today.com/news/meet-family-who-sent-six-kids-college-age-12-1C9316706

BTW: I was pleased to find this on my fb page as a post from another homeschool mom … with positive comments from her friends about it - yay! A shift in the perception of early learning is coming, everyone :wink:

I saw this on my local homeschooling FB group, mostly comprising unschoolers and most of the comments were positive, - yay for EL!

I have to admit, my favorite line was this:
"It makes you wonder,” their friend Wesley Jimmerson says, shaking his head. “Are they advanced, or are we just really behind?” lol

Thanks for the link. I am actually going to email the parents on the address provided at the end of the article, just to get some more ideas from them. Whilst, homeschooling is not an option for me, I would still want to get my daughter involved in early-learning as much as possible during the hours that are possible.

Wow, thank you very much for the link to that article, very interesting read. Makes me even more determined to teach my babies(after schooling),since homeschooling is not an option for us. I am trying to do as much as I can with them.

We once discussed that family on the forum. Several links to Mr Harding’s articles were posted by Korrale and Cokers4life. In case anyone wants to learn more, here is a link to that thread - http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-older-child/overall-education-acceleration-vs-depth/.

Thanks so much, queriquita, for bringing this up.

Thoughts?

Stopping in to say hello! Thanks for the link, will check that out…
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Don’t miss this link either. (I think it’s in the thread nee1 shared, but I’m pulling it out.)
http://collegeby12.wix.com/collegebytwelve

What I love about them is that they are a little more laid back than the Swanns. If you are a very organized person and like things to move like clockwork, something like what Joyce Swann did may work better for you. BUT you don’t have to be super organized to pull this off. Not that Mrs Harding isn’t organized too, but she doesn’t always do school from 8-11:30 or whatever it was. They learn and move on, skipping when possible, and then they dig deep into high-school material. At least that was my impression from the other reviews since I didn’t actually read their e-book. Take-away-message to me is, find someone who has accomplished what you want to accomplish, in a way you think you could duplicate, and then, duplicate it. There’s no one right way to accomplish this.

wow amazing story thanks for sharing

I’m so pleased that it’s been a nice (reminder) post for the forum. I had the wonderful opportunity to read their book, and I will share what I got out of it. Of course, I haven’t read through the threads that Tamsyn and nee1 shared, but I have no doubt that I will get a massive amount from those threads too.

In short, though, yes, this family is more easy-going, it seems, than Swann’s. They are not ‘early learners’ as I think so many of us are on the board, but they are more ‘accelerated’ learners. Here’s what I mean: they don’t really start school (math, reading, etc) until the child turns four. It used to not be until the child turned 6 (reading, but number appreciation about four), however, they had three daughters spaced about two years apart, enrolled in the free private christian school until the girls were about 8, 6, and 4. That’s when she found the courage to homeschool, using workbooks. When her fourth child was four, the older girls, “playing school”, had already taught him his numbers and how to read - the mother didn’t even know until he started doing it in front of her. So, it wasn’t too long before the expectation of each of the subsequent children was to read and comprehend numbers by age four. Remember, the older girls didn’t get this. What everyone did get was a ‘strict’ adherence to the writing rule. The children must write (starting at age four) each and every day. What they write is not so much the issue. But they must write. The youngest will simply grab their favorite readers and practice writing their favorite (self-elected) words, sentences, stories, etc. The children may write letters, rewrite and/or reword favorite passages from the Bible or other sources, or even just write in their journals; but children write daily. This was one of the two major things that I picked up from their story.

I also got the impression that the family is very humble and candid about their experience and themselves. They lived in California when their oldest had gotten to a rather advanced level of math. Taking classes at the local community college was simply a matter of passing the cali high school proficiency test, and being a hs sophomore, which she could claim, thanks to homeschooling. Their daughter passed, barely, but she passed. And here is where I picked up the second major point: perseverance. The point was even brought up that had they attended school, they may have fallen under the ‘perfectionist’ mentality, which may not tolerate ‘failure’. However, their children simply brushed off ‘failings’, reassessed and problem-solved to remove the ‘obstacle’.

They shared their children’s (and as parents, their own) failures. For example, one child didn’t pass one of the tests to get into the community college, however, went back, studied, and passed it the next time. Was the score mindblowing? No! But it was good enough to get college credits accrued. They emphasized that their children received A’s because they worked hard, not because they were geniuses, but that they also picked up B’s and even C’s (the initial result of discouraging their son’s inspired path concerning where to go to college - he wanted to move states away for his particular program of interest which wasn’t offered locally; they wanted him to remain at home due to his still young and impressionable age). Not only were less-than-ideal grades part of the mix, but so were obstacles in applying to graduate schools and other programs at such a young age - for some, not all (undergrad wasn’t really an issue, mostly following the community college to four year approach).

They were quick to also share that they weren’t genius parents or very well off financially either. They went to high school, graduated, got married, and immediately started their family. The father went into the military and graduated with a bs when he was about 25, I believe. It took him longer to get his masters, but he eventually got that too. What was nice to read was their acknowledgement of tuning into the child’s actual interests and keeping that desire to learn (and therefore be self-motivated) alive. This, I already knew, mostly thanks to all of you. This philosophy didn’t end after preschool, it was and still persists as a parental philosophy for them.

Interestingly, what seems to have triggered this trend was the father being enrolled in a calculus class when the oldest was four. She wanted to play and instead of brushing her off, he involved her in what he was doing … differential equations, if memory serves me correctly. The BOND with her dad and numbers inspired her passion for math and numbers. They continued to nurture that relationship, until they finally felt she should enroll in a community college at age 12. Remember, this is the girl who was finally pulled out of a ‘regular’ school at age 8, where she was considered average.

The result of their approach was a bit tweaked in the video because her children are more eclectic than the video leads one to believe. The eldest daughter is a math person, wanting eventually to be an astronaut, but working with NASA on putting together a spaceship. They also have an architect who married an architect, the youngest military doctor, a son who is studying computer programming although his dream is to be a film director, another who wants to go to julliard, and another who wants to be a military archaeologist (fyi: he hated reading when he was 6). The others aren’t yet decided.

I suppose a third concept that I took from the book was to not fall into the same habits of other adults who discredit children because of their age. I distinctly recalling my passions when I was seven and eight (the time that their children start to identify what they want to pursue in college. This actually works out nicely, because then their mother custom tailors an educational path for them to pursue their ‘high school’ credits so that they can then begin to move closer to this goal through self-motivation). Life took me on different paths, but imagine my ‘ah ha!’ moment when I found out that I came full circle right back to what I loved doing at that age. She listened to her children, guided her children, and encouraged and nurtured her children.

The children’s own inspiration is what fueled their passion, along with the belief that it could be done, and the path with which to do it.

Their routine was nice to know, too. They pretty much get up, do their morning chores, bible study, math, writing, then they read for history and science, afterwards they can read ‘for fun’ … and they have the rest of the day to play and engage as children.

So, aside from the three points discussed above (daily writing, teach perseverance, and value my child’s voice), their story reminded me that a little of anything consistently can go a long way, and also, that I don’t have to stress out too much, so long as I can nurture my children’s inspirations (which I was once told means ‘to be in the spirit’, as in being one with God). Their oldest girls did not receive EL, but they received encouragement and support to their child-led desires. I was feeling a lot of anxiety about not being able to give all of my time to my children since returning to school, however, their story gave me much needed peace and relief. I wholeheartedly believe in EL, however, I’m coming to understand that so long as children are in a loving environment that encourages learning, with access to resources, and a belief that they can succeed … then they will. After all, think of all the amazing people who came to be who weren’t ‘reading/math/music’ el’s.

YES, so many notables were EL’s on the ‘hush hush’, including Oprah, who was reading before age 3, but there still exist quite a few who weren’t and still made a wonderful mark. I think that true benefit of EL has and will continue to be seen by children who aren’t necessarily in the most encouraging environment. Through early reading, or music, or even being able to dive into numbers, they are able to transport themselves to a world that is less chaotic, guiding them, ideally, to a light at the end of the tunnel, even if they feel awkward at not connecting to their peers along the process. Thanks to the internet, it seems as though children can find their ‘circles’ so much more easily than before, though. Like this kid: david dalrymple who graduated from MIT graduate school at age 14. How’d he do it? By age 8 he knew what he wanted and he found his ‘circle’ by constantly emailing with a professor specialized in his field. For the life of me I can’t recall where I read that, but you can google him or check out these links: http://verybestinyouth.nestleusa.com/winners/Bio-Detail.aspx?Winner=282d9ffa-a859-4a08-8452-8f60c1c5666a and http://conferences.ifpri.org/2020conference/program/bios/Dalrymple.asp).

Thank you for that. That was really what I need to hear. I didn’t do really EL with any of my kids. I didn’t start until 5 with my oldest and right before 4 with my middle child. Sometimes I feel like I really failed them by not doing it much sooner but it is good to hear that people can have success even without a super early start.

http://chapmankids.net/blog/2013/03/16/why-not-skip-high-school-introduction/

Their homeschool routine sounds very Robinson Curriculumish.

Their routine was nice to know, too. They pretty much get up, do their morning chores, bible study, math, writing, then they read for history and science, afterwards they can read ‘for fun’ … and they have the rest of the day to play and engage as children.

From the little bit in the article it sounds like they accelerated the children in the area that interested them and didn’t worry so much about all the extras or a ‘balanced’ education.

Thought I should clarify that last point. I’m not suggesting that they didn’t educate their children well just that so many of us get caught up with all the things that we could possibly teach to our children that it can seem overwhelming. This family found what each child was interested in and then focused on that (while also providing the basics - Reading, Writing, Math, History/Science. Acceleration is definitely a lot faster if you can actually be focused on one thing lol

Interesting reads. Thanks.
Yes I also think skipping high school is a great idea. Here grades 7-10 are just a chance to try out different subjects. It’s supposed to help kids decide what they enjoy but I think mostly it just confuses them. They do advance them in English and math during that time also but we all know that isn’t hard to accelerate.
I haven’t seen the point in doing one term of Spanish, one term of cooking, one term of art, one term of metal work one term of wood work one term of social studies and a year or two of 3 different sciences. It just doesn’t give them enough depth to ensure success in any of it. Skipping the whole thing in favour of streamlining school towards their specific interests and strengths seems much more sensible to me.

Wow, I missed quite a bit. I was away for the past few weeks, kids and hubby sick and all.

Thanks for posting this! I looked up some of the information and even bought Mrs. Harding’s book. They seem to have a lovely and inspirational family. I also love that they tell the whole truth and bring to light what she said others refer to as “loop holes” in the ability to by-pass highschool to get ahead to college earlier than usual and in some cases, cheaper than traditional paths. Apparently, there are some pretty good loop holes/opportunities in the US to achieve this but rarely is it talked about.

The one thing that concerns me, however, is that starting college early may limit the choice of colleges. For example, an average kid can get college credits early and even go to the local community college or less-well-known university or even transfer over to a decent state college…but then, they missed their chance to attend an Ivy, i.e. Harvard, Yale, etc… or even a decent bigger name school. So even though they finished early and getting the degree was probably cheaper, will it be useful in the long run? What happens next in terms of career and prospects?

My concerns stem from Mrs. Harding’s book where she mentions that one daughter with two Masters degrees ended up working part-time as a teacher for a Christian private school only to leave because the pay was terrible and wound up having to leave home and find a job in California as a quality assurance tech (this is the one with the hopes for NASA). The daughter who went to medical school, was rejected by several M.D. schools after receiving her bachelors and was finally able to get into a D.O school after going through a masters program. So in essence she’s not an M.D. but a D.O. still a doctor though. However, does that make it harder to go through a residency program?

Also, once you fully enroll into a college (even at 12, 13, etc…) you will no longer be able to apply as a freshman anywhere else. You’ll be a transfer student and in many top schools, there is an even less chance of getting in. Stanford’s freshman acceptance rate is 6.6% Their transfer student acceptance rate is 1.5% The loophole to that is having your kid be a “Dual enrollment” student while in “highschool” and/or achieving college credits through CLEPs (testing out and getting credit, although many top schools are picky when it comes to accepting transfer credits). Then you can still be considered a freshman in case later your child wants to apply to an Ivy or better known school. Which then brings up the question… does big name vs. lesser known college matter? Interestingly, a few days ago there was an article on the NY Times that talked about this. Also Time had an article on April 2 about how this year the Ivies had record low acceptance rates.

Finally, what about IB and Gifted programs? Such as Stanford University’s EPGY in California or The Mirman school or Stuveysant in NY or even boarding schools (they have a high number of acceptance rates to Ivies)?

We have a 10-year-old son and are finding tons of information on this. We have to figure out what our priorities are (finish early vs. maintaining quality of outcome, if possible both) but most importantly, what our son wants to do

P.S. I just want to add how I totally love this community. You guys have many interesting topics and are so supportive. :smiley:

I don’t think it necessarily excludes access to top tier colleges. I am not sure about the bonafide Ivy’s but we live near Kenyon College it is considered one of the best Liberal Arts Colleges in the US. It certainly costs more than Harvard or Yale. But they offer a KAP program. These are college classes for well achieving high school students. Granted this would be cnsidered dual entry.
I honestly think that quality education doesn’t HAVE to come from an Ivy Leauge school. There are certainly some lesser well performing colleges. But there are also some amazing state schools.

As for the D.O vs M.D… A D.O is not inferior to an M.D by any means. They are both medical drs. A D.O does slightly different training. In fact many would argue that the training is more rigiorous. Our family dr is a D.O that we chose because of the whole body philosophy.

Oh no, of course I’m not suggesting that a D.O is inferior to an M.D. They are two different philosophies yet both have very rigorous paths. By no means am I here to start a debate on schools and/or philosophies. :nowink:

My concern comes from what I read in the book (PDF file) that Mrs. Harding’s daughter was rejected by not one but several M.D. schools and was ultimately not able to get into ANY M.D. school that she applied to, thereby her choice was limited to D.O. schools by first having to spend time at a masters program. One hopes that by accelerating their child’s education, one of the benefits would be to have access to a wider array of choices when it comes to career opportunities. However, in this case, I can’t help to think maybe if her daughter had taken the traditional path or at least, a less accelerated path, she may still have been able to get into the M.D. school she wanted to go to.

Mrs. Harding’s other daughter was in a similar boat… She applied to NASA but with budget cuts and all, wasn’t able to get in. So here she is very young with two master’s degrees and she’s teaching part-time barely able to support herself (she quit because of the low pay). On the other hand, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg don’t have any degrees and I’d say they did pretty well (although yes, for every one of Steve Jobs, there are other would-be Jobs without a degree that probably wish they had finished school). Ergo, having a degree early or having more degrees doesn’t necessarily mean a better result.

Everyone’s measure of success is different. I believe there are many other stories of families who have children who did finish college early and their kids did remarkably well. As for us, with our youngster, we’re looking out for every opportunity available including that of finishing college earlier than usual. I’m thankful to queriquita for bringing up the Harding’s story. :slight_smile:

Over here most of the universities are equal. Only one ( bond) has an elite status that means something and it only counts if you are studying law. The rest are just a pretty picture on the top of a graduate certificate :biggrin: …actually in all my career changes only once has anyone actually asked to see ( and copy for their records) my degree certificate. Even then I had to convince them they should copy both certificates not just one, as one is post grad and doesn’t count without the other! lol
Early finishing at any university counts if you are in Australia. Wonder about the rest of the world?
I am looking for shortcuts through high school but I am finding it very difficult here. Trees e seems to be firm rules and pathways. Possible due to a very small demand overall. I have a few more years to find it all out though :slight_smile:

@ mandab Some public schools in SA offer a high school acceleration program where you can finish high school in 4 not 5 years 8-10 are condenced and you do SACE as normal over the two years. That is one way. You are always welcome here in good ol’ Adelaide anytime. ehehehehehehe. Might be worth googling Glenunga International High school and have a look on their website and then see if any schools on Brisbane offer the same or similar program. The only other thing is being zoned for the school. Zoning is a big thing in South Australia and sometimes unless you live in that zone you can’t get in but i’m sure you know that!!!

I guess the other way is to homeschool them. Talk to your DECS and see what they do for homeschool kids who finish high school early if that is option.