Memorization method

Welcome, @jc1!

@Sharpie, fascinating support. If anybody was not an “auditory learner,” it was you, who presumably had an actual, scientifically diagnosable condition that in an objective sense made it difficult for you to process information you heard, and yet you managed to record information you heard and through repetition learn it! Well done!

Anyway, update about H. He has told me every day for the last five days that he loves this new scheme, and he has said twice that he is grateful to Dr. Jones for suggesting it. (I am not kidding–and I didn’t suggest that he say this or anything!) While he can be very articulate and expressive when he wants to be, he doesn’t usually go out of his way to express how happy he is with a new book or educational technique or whatever. I told him about the problem I anticipate, that we might end up listening to these audio files for 30-60 minutes per day, if we went whole hog with the method, and he said he would like to do that. Of course, he is five and he has no way to know that. But so far he has listened very patiently to recordings that were 7.5, 12, and 7.5 minutes long and has said that he loves them, because they remind him of what he has learned.

@jc1 is of course very right that the challenge will be for both me and H., and soon enough E. too, to keep this up. So far, I’ve been religiously keeping the recorder in my shirt pocket and this has been very little trouble. Obviously we’re going to have to change up some stuff if we want to add a half hour of listening every day, though.

Fascinating, truly fascinating!

You probably would be interested in the story I am about to share.

My dad, had a life-long habit of keeping a note of most important points of what he had learned, and reviewing it “a day, a week, a month and a year later”. He did not do recordings ( there was no easy option for that in those days). But he kept notebooks, amazingly organized with pretty sophisticated system of reminders. A lot of notebooks.

He was considered to be a genius by some, he entered University before he was 15 years old ( it was NOT common in Soviet Union), he graduated before his 18th Birthday. He was an engineer ( his passion and his education) with line of inventions. But he was working in the government, as a science advisor. He spoke and read literature in some of the most complicated languages, which he taught himself as a hobby!!

When I was in school ( and I attended an advanced math school as a child), I only needed to ask him anything from my math, physics or chemistry lessons, he would sit next to me and just explain it, with no review, jogging his memory, nothing. It sounded like something he just always knew. I thought it is normal, till years later, when I was trying to help some homeschoolers with their algebra work. :yes: I had to really refresh myself, and I was good with it when I did study. However since I have not reviewed or used it, I simply did not remember it. It did not take me long to review, but I had to review, and I think that is the point – he did not have to.

Just realized, as I am typing it, it is his birthday today and he would have been 60 years old.

All that to say, that the method you have described all of as sudden helped me to make sense of an amazing ability that my dad possessed and what most people referred to as “genius”. Now I wonder – if that truly the secret, or should there be some other factors involved?

DadDude, does Dr Jones has testimonials like that and would he attribute an accomplishment like that to following the method you have described or some additional factors?

Skylark, thanks very much for your inspirational and very interesting story!

Well, I don’t think this is “Dr. Jones’ method.” I think it is a common memory technique. I guess I (or any of us) could ask him for pointers! I guess I will.

DadDude, please do, I am very interested to hear more on that! And thank you for sharing it with us here in the first place!

This list of flashcard software might be useful for those wanting to include images and video in their reviews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flashcard_software

These systems use algorithms for scheduling spaced repetition.

Chris

I would love to know if anyone finds an iphone app to help with this method of memorization!! I did a little bit of searching, but didn’t really find what I was looking for - maybe someone here knows of one (or wants to make one…). I have an iphone 4S and tell “Siri” to take notes for me all the time (voice to text). It works really well and almost always translate what I say correctly. It would be great if, at the end of every day, the notes for the entire day were compiled and then an appointment was automatically setup on my calendar for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, and 1 year to read that day’s notes. Any ideas? Thanks!!

Sorry DadDude… I don’t have access to research. Much of what I know is annecdotal at best… If there were research then it would be easier to pinpoint exactly what activities promote photographic memory development. If you have questions, please ask them. I’m no expert but perhaps if we all contribute to the discussion we might come away knowing more.

Mandabplus3 - my boys attended both TweedleWink and Heguru. We also have the entire TweedleWink program at home (and Wink - which we haven’t done actively because Wennie advised us not to start too early). I can get the after image with simple pictures, too, but I think the reason why we “adults” have a harder time about it is because our instinct is to follow our own methods of memorisation and they interfere. For instance, to memorise a number, I usually repeat it over and over in my head. One time, when I wasn’t really trying to remember the number, I stared at it for a while and after it was removed, I could see it very clearly as if it was still in front of me and then it disappeared. It was the first time I’ve ever memorised the number as an image rather than the audio version playing itself over and over in my head. Unfortunately, it was also the last time it’s happened. I guess because my instinct is still to repeat the number rather than try to capture it as an image.

Both boys are still attending classes. They are 2 and 5. I can’t say much about my 2 year old, but I have seen “results” from my 5 year old. My 5 year old appears to have that photographic memory ability - he can remember stuff he’s read and is able to pinpoint the exact page and paragraph (he’s done this with his dinosaur encyclopedia). Unfortunately, it appears that his memory only works with stuff he likes. If I get him to read a book about a subject he isn’t interested in, he doesn’t seem to remember much. And when he offers information, it’s usually of his own volition. It cannot be me quizzing him about it - which he absolutely hates and it’s the fastest way to make him shut down.

The activities they do in class are the usual stuff linked with right brain classes - mandala, linking memory, space memory, rapid flash cards, speed listening. There are other stuff, but I’ve only linked afterimaging with photographic memory because it’s the one activity that I have seen a direct linking effect for myself. As for my son, as much as I want to test him to understand better what’s working and what isn’t, I find he’s not very cooperative in that department. So rather than put him off, I try to test myself instead :-p can’t say I’m making a lot of headway (largely because I dont’ practice enough).

Thanks for the warm welcome, Everyone.

@Mandabplus3 and @TheyCan: The app that I mentioned in my post is called Educreations. Unfortunately it’s only on the iPad, not on the iPhone.

Greetings everyone

This is an interesting thread. I also used similar methods to others when studying at school. If I couldn’t remember something straight away, I would think about where it was in my file and “re-read” the paragraph. I could often remember the section where the information was and then had to jog my mind to get the exact information out.

Funnily though even though I have better visual memory, Mind maps didn’t work for me. It’s also interesting that I have a great “photographic memory” when it comes to reading and studying but something like remembering a movie is not something that I do. (Perhaps this comes down to interest because I’m more a reader than a TV fan).

I’m keen to follow the feedback on this thread so that I can hopefully “teach” my daughter to learn in a similar way. Unfortunately I have no idea how I learnt to learn like that. I also “visualise” numbers when remembering a phone number or something.

great stuff
Shenli, testing requires the left brain to logically interpret…likely your son is still very right brained with all that training. so testing would be very difficult for him. Also its interesting to note he remembers what he is interested in…I remember reading about the love and excitement of education being important for memory retention and stress and bordom being the anti education! SO maybe if the info was presented in a more interesting way?
OK so now I am off to try and visually remember my banking login number! Something that interests me greatly!!! lol lol

@jc1: I have used Educreations a few times on the Ipad for explaining things to Ella and so far we like it. Now, if only the developers can take TheyCan up on her idea and make the app compile all our notes for the day and automatically create calendar reminders for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, and 1 year, it would be perfect!

@Shen-Li: Ooops… I started using Wink with my daughter when she turned 3.5 years old because I felt that she had already bridged to left brain thinking. I based my decision to start Wink on the TW chart which recommended starting it once the child exhibits preschool characteristics. I also started the Photographic Memory Kit with her. However, I also still show her the TW DVDs and a lot of flashcards regularly. Do you think it is too early to start Wink and the PM Kit (she is now 3 years 7 months old)? Aren’t the activities in these two kits (e.g. memory train, space memory, etc) similar to the activities that they do with your boys in the TW classes? If so, why would Wennie say that it is too early to start Wink?

@DadDude: Thanks for starting this interesting discussion! Just to add my own anecdotal experience: I have been teaching Ella to memorize classical Chinese poetry and literature for some time now by letting her listen to recordings. On our first run-through, I would stop the CD frequently to explain and clarify, but on subsequent sessions, will just let her listen straight through. Then I would repeat these recordings at increasingly prolonged intervals. Although not exactly at 1 day, 1 week 1 month, 1 year (I am not that well-organized!), but something similar. And guess what it works! I can give her the title of a poem and she will be able to recite it in its entirety. I can start a poem in the middle and she can continue reciting it. I can recite a single verse and she will be able to tell me the poet who wrote it, and she will also tell me what other things that particular poet wrote! Her auditory memory is also excellent. Several times I have mentioned something (a date, a phone number, etc) to my hubby in casual conversation within her earshot but not addressing her directly, and a few weeks or months later, she will remember it perfectly! Her previous teacher in daycare had also noticed the same thing and mentioned it to me a few times. I am not quite sure if her auditory memory is so good because of the recordings or if the recordings work so well because of her excellent auditory memory. What do you think? I would also be very interested to know what system you are using to remind yourself of the schedule for repeating your recordings.

Mandabplus3 - Yes, I’ve been trying to get creative about presentation; although he has very specific tastes and if he decides he likes something, it doesn’t matter about the presentation. For instance, he started going nuts over Dr Seuss books because we were out one day and he was bored. The only thing I had on me was a Dr Seuss book so he was “forced” to read it or suffer the boredom (up until then, he flatout refused to read any of the books). After that, when we were at the book shop, he went after the series.

Aangeles - yes, a lot of wink activities are also done in Heguru at very young ages so don’t worry, I’m sure it’s fine. Wennie said most important of all is to follow your child. If he really enjoys it, it doesn’t matter what the activity is. I just remember her saying not to be too eager to jump to wink because she felt the wink program is right brain activities for left brain people; whereas young children already have their right brains open so you didn’t need to use wink.

We all have a photographic memory. That is to say we can remember pictures very well. 80% of the input cortex is devoted to visual memory followed by auditory memory, the next strongest sense. Make sure to use them both when memorizing. Use pictures and read aloud your summaries. Memory Training in the classical Greek model takes abstract info like numbers, concepts etc. and turns them into images then links them together by making those mnemonic images interact. Ancient Greeks called this the “memory theater”. This is one of the most neglected keys to unlocking incredible learning potential. The other would be speed reading. Put the two together and it is unbelievable what you can do.

Always look for the ideal then take a deep breath and do what you can practically do. The Super Memory Review I outlined to Larry Sanger is a program that uses only natural memory, no knowledge of memory principles required, and works very well. Anyone who successfully learns anything does some varition of this technique but this makes it as simple as possible. Whatever you are learning, make sure you buy the book or copy the article, now you can do all this digitally, of course, and mark or highlight the important point to remember. You have basically summarized the material. Then review it on this schedule:

One Minute, One Hour, One Day, One Week, One Month, One Year and Every Year until mastered.

Simple enough to remember and fairly easy to implement once you get organized. Summarizing what you read is an incredibly important skill so much so that an academic article will start with an abstract, a one paragraph summary containing the most pertinent information. One can rapidly research a field simply by reading abstracts. So let us assume you read or learn something every day that you want to commit to memory. Even if it is a long book you can summarize the most important points, you don’t need to include everything you highlighted although you can if that level of memory is required or desired. Review it right after you read it (the One Minute review) then in an hour or so. If you don’t have your notes just see how much you can remember. Other than the initial reading that is about 2 minutes of review. Review what you did the day before, and what you learned on the same day the week, month, and year before. That is 6 minutes of review daily if you stick to the one minute summary principle.

Additional time spent is often because you are really interested in the info you are reviewing which is not a bad thing at all. Spend as much time reviewing as you want if you have it to spend. Also sometimes we have a lot of stuff we need or want to learn so we have several summaries.
All the information you read is recorded in memory. The trick is to beat a synaptic pathway to it so it can be recalled easily. You don’t need your notes in front of your to remember what you read if you do it soon enough after the intial contact. This technique is based on the well known way to long-term memory by frequent repetition of data in short-term memory. The formulation above, however, is my own and you won’t see it elsewhere unless they copied it from me which is fine with me.

The ideal is to master the principles of Memory Training, not very hard to do. We start with Memory Training in our Early Learning program. It is a standard part of our Mathematics curriculum. We have recently separated it out so that people could obtain just the Memory Training text, DVDs, posters and cards etc. if they wish. Once the mnemonic images have been created and included in the material it is simple for a child or adult with memory training to recall all the relevant facts in the text just read. The ideal is to have materials done in a memory training format by someone expert.

Here is a free download “How to Remember Anything Forever” for those who want a more detailed explanation of the Super Memory Review. Feel free to pass it around if you wish. Any comments or feedback on it would be welcome.

Thanks very much, Dr. Jones! I take it that your earlier post is “How to Remember Anything Forever.”

I really appreciate having it all laid out like this. I do have one question, if you don’t mind. I don’t really like marking up our books, and it also seems to require a lot of time, over the long haul. If I’m simply summarizing 20 minutes of out-loud reading (we read to H. in chunks about that long on average), and I am able to create good recorded summaries of that reading, is there any particular advantage to having highlighted the text in addition? It seems to me the only reason I would want to highlight the text is if I plan to review the text later. But we rarely do that, except when H. simply re-reads it to himself, and then again the highlights aren’t that important.

I agree that photographic is something that anyone can acquire to a degree. I used to have a poor visual memory, but could remember anything I heard orally. To the point that I did not take notes in class but just focused when they spoke and memorized. I figured all the information would need to be memorized for the test anyway.

With time though I was able to improve my own visual memory to the point that people now frequently comment that I must have a “photographic memory”. I think the key is just practice. I work in the medical field and prior to seeing a patient I review the chart. I see about 30 patients a day so for each one I review the chart and try to commit it to memory. I then enter the room without the chart (for me this is key, if I had the chart then I would feel I could rely on that instead of my memory) I find that I am able to visualize the chart with dates of surgeries, illnesses and medications quite easily now after years of practice. It may help that the forms this information is on is the same for every chart, I’m not sure. But after strengthening this skill within the workplace I now find I can visualize pages of books and other things that I have seen much more easily.

I know what you mean about not wanting to mark books - it was something that took me years to get over. However, there are many advantages to highlighting, including:
1 - It brings a kinaesthetic component into lessons
2 - The use of colour greatly enhances visual memory
3 - It develops the ability to pick out only the key pieces of information from text.

To make this more effective, do SQ3R (Survey, Question, Read, Recite, Review) so that you get an overview before you begin as this reduces the amount of time necessary to pick out key points.

All that said, highlighting is only one way to do this. There are many others and it is a matter of finding the one that resonates best with the person’s individual learning style & taste.

linzy – that’s so interesting, because I’m the exact opposite. While having a very poor auditory memory, (unless I use a lot of repetition), I have always had a pretty good visual memory. Unlike you, I took very detailed notes and would take a mental picture of them. And, if I had the kind of class that included multiple choice questions on exams, I would simply visually memorize what I was studying and would ace tests that way. Granted, I was so busy visually memorizing, that I usually didn’t take the time to understand the content, which really defeated the whole purpose of school. :wink: And it certainly wasn’t a fool proof method, leading me to have many grade fluctuations.

If I see a visual presentation of something I need to learn, I can usually understand it instantly and remember it for a very long time. However, it could take me forever to grasp and memorize the very same information if I am only able to hear it. I have to “squint” really hard with my ears, which is exhausting.

Actually, now that I think about it, since having a baby, I really don’t have any kind of memory left! :mellow:

So…I’ve been doing some internet searching for a good way to use this method. My best solution so far is Evernote (over 88,000 ratings for the app and they also have a desktop version). Here’s the website - http://www.evernote.com/. In every note you can save audio, text (it can convert your audio to text), pictures (you can mark up pictures too), websites, etc. There is a ton of websites and videos out there with tips/tricks for using the program.

And…regarding Daddude’s comment about highlighting in books…if you use a Kindle (which, I’m assuming we’ll use one when my son is a bit older), you can go to https://kindle.amazon.com/ and see everything you ever highlighted on the Kindle (there’s also a daily review on the site). Then, you can use Evernote’s webclipper feature to bring your Kindle highlights into Evernotes.

Everyday, you could then search Evernote for the appropriate dates (would have the search dates already in your iphone calendar reminder…) and see all the notes you took on that day.

Thoughts?? Does anyone here use Evernote? Does this sound like the best approach? Any other ideas?

Update about our use of this method. Yesterday, H. turned out to be pretty resistant to listening the full time, and I was thinking we’d have to give it up. I’m not going to make him sit there if he really doesn’t want to. Today, though, he was paying good attention again. It was our first day of listening to material from a week ago, but I only recorded about one thing a week ago. He was fascinated to hear what he had listened to a week ago (actually, what we read a week ago and listened to six days ago). It was more interesting because it wasn’t quite so obvious as yesterday’s stuff, but it was rewarding to listen to because it wore down those neural pathways, as Dr. Jones says–i.e., it re-awakened memories that we otherwise would have forgotten. Repeating these old facts is often inherently interesting precisely because it is like revisiting “old friends.”

Tomorrow is a big test, when we listen to 7.5 minutes from a week ago and a similar amount from today–it will be the first day in which we will have listened to two days’ worth of full-length recordings. Another big test, if we make it that far, will be in three weeks when we start listening to month-old stuff.

I like to be realistic and I am 90% sure that within a week to a month, we’re going to either give up on this or completely change it. Maybe, instead of summarizing all of our non-fiction (and Norse myth, too), we’ll pick a few and focus on those. Or maybe I’ll greatly reduce (like by one-fourth) the amount of information I put into these summaries. As it is I tend to spend one minute summarizing about eight minutes of reading. Another option is to start highlighting instead of recording and then systematically reviewing the highlighting of old books, according to some schedule.

Most of our books are paper and not on Kindle. We could get ebook versions of some of our books, but most books we buy are not available yet that way.

seastar and others are talking about this if we were discussing college study methods. I hadn’t really thought of applying my old college study skills to my reading to my five-year-old son. Maybe there is some sense in that, but it requires a great deal of thought. For example, I understand perfectly well why I might want to highlight for my own consumption. (I completely marked up my books when I was in college.) But I weigh the costs and benefits when it comes to highlighting for H., as I am reading to him. Of course there are benefits. But the costs, especially the time/opportunity costs, seem significant. Our reading time at the meal table is already interrupted constantly by baby, Mama, and H. himself with his observations and questions and distractions. Not reading at the table is still not an option–H. would be hysterical if we stopped, and we learn so much this way. There are also already interruptions when we read together in the big comfy chair–I usually consult the iPad heavily to look up words, locations on maps, pictures, and videos. Anyway, ultimately the core purpose of my highlighting the text for H. as part of Dr. Jones’ method is so that I know what to record. But I can easily figure that out on the fly. Unless we are going to return to the text itself, especially repeatedly, highlighting seems to be redundant, interrupts the flow, and is time-consuming. H. often gets up and wanders off when, as we finish a reading, I make the recording. This seems best for everyone. He can take a break and give me the peace I need to think about exactly what to put into the recording.

I find that it is very important that I speak loudly and articulately into the microphone and that I think carefully about what I want to say. It has to make sense, and the delivery has to be somewhat dramatic, or else it can sound very dull, like a dry lecture.