Jones Genius Update

So, it’s been a few months now since the JG craze began and I’m curious to find out where everyone stands with it. Are you enjoying teaching with the resources? Are you making the strides you thought you might or is it too early to tell? Have you made extra manipulatives to supplement the curriculum? Have you found the customer service satisfactory?

I have just barely started with it, even though I bought the package shortly after the initial presentation. Most of that is due to me - dragging my behind in making manipulatives. I felt that he would learn better with more concrete experiences rather than purely flashcards (he’s now nearing three). Thanks to many of the parents here there are many ideas to implement - it’s just making the time to do so that I’ve been slack on…sigh…more parental guilt. :blush:

I haven’t delved too far into the teaching documents yet, as I want to just familiarize my son with the numerals before any higher math orders are introduced. But, more importantly, I want him to understand the concept of quantity and that I want to teach with using the Right Start abacus program (for which I FINALLY finished making the larger than life size abacus).

I haven’t tried to contact them as of late, so I can’t comment on customer service, but they sure were helpful when I was debating the purchase.

What are your thoughts?

For the reading program- There was a considerable amount of overlap on the reading program with what we were already doing because we tend to run several programs at once, so the reading wasn’t a make or break thing for us. That is no fault of JG of course, and I was far more interested in the math program from the get-go. But I did have DD memorize all of the animal alphabet cards which she enjoyed, (I colored and laminated them all, I figured the extra reinforcement couldn’t hurt) and she learned all of the word cards. However, we only used the plain side of the word cards right from the start, I never used the “phonetic” starter side on some of the cards, like the exceptions cards where is demonstrates “was” is pronounced “wuz.” I could see how it might be helpful for an older child, but it just wasn’t necessary for DD so we just used the plain text side. She knew many of the exception cards already by the time we got to this program (like was, the, and so forth, she already knew lots of sight words) but I really like the presentation of the double sided silent e cards (pip & pipe, mad & made, etc). Although, for flashing purposes I would have preferred them on separate cards versus double sided but that is not how they are intended to be taught. I taught them by sounding them out and reinforced through flashing, she got the hang of it rather quickly. My Montessori House DVD’s really helped prime her for this (they demonstrate rip & ripe and so forth in a similar way.) Dr. Jones recommended that DD move on to the Primer Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons. I know I checked it out of the library a loooong time ago. I am going to re-check it out and see if she is ready. If so, I will probably copy the lessons onto sentence strips and magnet them to the fridge for her to find in the morning and see how she responds to that. We also do HOP so maybe I will just alternate programs a few days a week to keep things interesting.

DD is now doing addition & subtraction almost by herself with very minimal guidance from me using the flashcard-manipulatives. Following Dr. J in the video, I allow DD to take the pointer and “teach me” as she reads the equations to me. She likes to hold the pointer (which is really just a heavy duty chop stick…hey, I had to improvise! LOL ) I did color and laminate my flashcards, but I am getting ready to redo all of them though. After corresponding with Dr. Jones via email, I learned the number line was meant to be colored in and cut out into a long strip (must have missed that part in the DVD I guess). He said to color all the 0’s the same color, all the 1’s the same color, and so forth throughout the entire number line to really help with memory. So 100 would be the same colors as the 0 and the 1. Makes sense.

So, because I originally taught my daughter and am now teaching my son #'s 1-9 using the Meet the Numbers Preschool Prep series, I am kicking myself for not originally realizing I should have colored my JG flashcards and painted my JG manipulatives to match Meet the Numbers for continuity and memory purposes. So I am redoing everything, including the number line on my floor (sigh). I had my husband take screen shot stills of each MTN “character” from “flashcard” mode of the DVD and I printed them out. On the opposite side of the flashcard I will put the JG dot matrix number that I colored to match the MTN character. I am going to transition my son to the dot matrix a LOT sooner than I did my DD, and start flashing him the Dot Matrix #'s in LR as soon I get them colored, scanned and get the LR file made in the next week or two. (These are for personal use only, not to be uploaded to the community so no copyright issues). I am also sooner starting him a lot sooner on the counting steps.

I have created/used a few of our own manipulatives and such. We laminated the flashcards and used them with round magnets on the fridge, round stickers, and dry erase markers. We also made wooden numbers with holes drilled and golf pegs and an over-sized number line to help with our 1-20 counting that the kids can hop from number to number. I have a wooden numerals puzzle I sanded that is waiting to be painted the correct color and with some small black buttons super glued to it for texture. I will have to supervise this very carefully though to ensure no buttons come loose as a choke hazard, I was thinking about using a dremel to drill a teeny tiny hole and wire them to the puzzle pieces as well as super glue them. Not sure yet.

I need to buy some numeral stamps though for DD to help her with her number tracing like AAngeles suggested a while back. I am going to be modifying the JG worksheets because 4 equations is just too many for her, but I would like to transition her to paper from the flashcards. I have found if I just put ONE on the page, very large, she does great. So, again, as soon as I can get that done and get my # stamps we will be transitioning to paper. My plan is to copy 2 to a page and then cut it in half to save on paper while still being big enough for her, then transition her to two equations per page, then to four.

In regards to customer service, JG has always gotten back to me within 24 hours, and Chris passes along any questions to Dr. J as needed who personally responds with valuable info and recommendations.

I have been very pleased with the math program although DD is taking her time to work through the steps because she is only 25 months. It’s solid and straight forward, I plan to start my son on a modified version of the beginning steps ASAP as well. I like to think of it as the “phonics” of math. Sight reading (for most/many kids) does not give them the key to decode new words. Phonics does. Once kids have memorized the matrix, they will always have the “key” of addition and subtraction with them always, as well as the “why” of it all, which is why it’s so important to internalize the matrix. It’s more than straight memorization of sums, it’s the math equivalent of phonetic decoding.

Although I am really satisfied with the math program, so much so that I am using it for my son, we also do other math practice for reinforcement and to address other areas:

-Daily LM & Shichida in LM.
-Wonderpets sticker math (basically addition/subtraction with stickers as props to keep things lively, and I let her color the page when we’re done)
-Just started Soroban.
-Plan to begin Early Bird Math soon. Tried to pick up the workbook this weekend but the teacher store only carried 1st grade and up.
-“Muffin Math” (Using a muffin tin, I labeled the bottom of each of the 12 cups with a foam glitter sparkle numeral 1-12. I have DD use tongs to select a matching # of colored pom-pons, so for example, #8 is blue, so she picks out 8 blue pom poms to put in that cup. This involves counting, sorting, and fine motor rolled into one.)
-Counting/stacking with unifix cubes, and counting by 10’s to 100 every single time to put them away to make sure we didn’t miss any for little brother to choke on!
-Started using Duplos for the same purposes with both of the kids so there’s no choke hazard, I wish I would have though of it sooner. Need to go out and buy one more pack of Duplos.
-Fractions & sequencing using playdough (also great for fine motor/muscle building).
-We incorporate the “Counting Cookies” game into our music play. We all take turns picking a cookie from the jar, counting the candies on it, and then select an instrument to play the corresponding # of times. (If I picked #4, I would shake the maracas or hit the drum 4 times.)
-We count most of the time we go up and down the stairs
-We count food, toys, etc randomly whenever I can remember.
-My son has been loving the Melissa and Doug counting rings on pegs game, almost identical to this http://www.amazon.com/1-to-5-Ring-Counter/dp/B0006PU7AC

Wow! Once again you amaze me with your review. Thank you for taking time and putting in so much effort in sharing your thoughts. And thanks for the info on the other programs you are using. Again, I’ve picked up a few new ideas!

I’m curious to hear what the rest of you think.

Yes, thank you for the good review! Very helpful. :yes:
I’m not doing the Math Matrix with my youngest but I am doing Math 5 with my 2nd, 4th and 6th graders. I have been pretty happy with the program. All 3 boys can now do the 100 math facts in 5 minutes (in +, -, x, /) and have moved on to squaring numbers and practicing double digit multiplication in their heads. They are also learning to break down the numbers 1-100 to their prime factors, and are learning memory pegs. I am pleased with their progress, and am especially pleased that my 2nd grader can do it, too. I think all 3 of the boys are pleased with what they can do, too.

A few drawbacks are that sometimes the DVD and notebook/teacher’s manual don’t match exactly, and I feel there could be more worksheets that are specific to what they are learning. However, I have been able to figure out what needed to be figured out and am sure the JG folks would have helped me if I’d asked. I’ve contacted them about other things and they have always been very helpful.

Wow! Thanks to both of you…TeachingmyToddler and THen. Great feedback!

TeachingmyToddler, you really amaze me by your progress. You are my Guru. :biggrin: Its great that you are starting all this with your son at the same time. Its not easy managing two kids at the same time. I understand the importance of the matrix, but how does the matrix portray 11? Doesn’t it get confusing for the children when you go to numbers above 9? I might be understand JG program incorrectly. I posted this somewhere else too but no one responded.

THen, its great to find someone using another level of the program and finding it successful with their kids. So the JG program have tips to increase calculating speed that are difficult to find other places? I told my husband about the different levels and he said math speed only increases by practicing. :wub: He is both conceptual wise and speed wise good at math.

thanks! Great q.s kizudo.

Ariel,

Yes, there are tips/tricks. You could probably find the tricks online, but with the program they organize the tricks so you learn them in an order that is easier to learn. And they build on one another. However, your husband is right in that a lot of it comes from being able to do the simple math functions quickly. So, Math 5 trains you to do those faster, too. I’m looking forward to seeing how the rest of it works out. We are just a little over half way through Math 5. :slight_smile:

I am so far really enjoying this program. It is simple to use and the materials are simple to use to. I am woking on the maths program as that is what I really bought it for. I am going to start with the reading program soon as I get the time to sit down and read the book.

With the maths program as my daughter is only two and a bit I am working on getting her to count forwards and backwards and this we do whenever we can and she is willing :slight_smile: we also walk the number line forwards and backwards and het to point to the numbers with her left and right hands and I make sure she does alot of crossing over the midline on her body which from the book I read smart start is veryh important in brain development.

My dd at the moment is struggling with the concept of which no. is bigger but its exactly what dr jones says that children think in terms of size which is why they think the 0 is bigger than one, but in saying that I have adjusted my questioning and have started to ask her which no has more dots and then explaining the one that has more dots is the bigger no. which is getting through. Once dd has mastered the first 4 steps we will move on

I think this is a really great program. I look forward to going through the whole thing.

Kimba

Hi, everyone! I am about to get the Early Learning course from the Jones Geniuses and I was wondering what your experiences are with the reading program they offer. My daughter is 19 mos and has just finished Little Reader. Because she tired of Little Math after the first semester, I want to start with another math program, and at the same time I’d like her to make progress with her reading as well. Would any of you suggest their program as a continuation of LR/LM?

Cheers,
Olivia

I think it’s a good fit as the “next level” after LR/LM, especially if your DD has not been exposed to any other straight phonics programs before. However, you will definitely want to either color and laminate the flashcards or just laminate the flashcards if you plan to let your daughter handle them at all because they are made of card stock.

Thanks for sharing. I was considering using this program and wondered what parents thought of it.

I just realized that people probably think I am feeding my kids cookies all the time. lol

This is what I was referring to http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Resources-LER7201-Counting-Cookies/dp/tags-on-product/B00009XNSS

I have one q.s if someone could answer it regarding Jones math program:
I understand the importance of the matrix, but how does the matrix portray 11 and/or numbers above 9? I might be understanding JG program incorrectly. I posted this above but it got missed.

thanks,

TX for all the information. I ordered today and look forward to getting the curriculum. They are also offering 12 online classes which other parents who are new to this might be interested in.

Hi Ariel,

I can’t answer your question, but I’ll send a PM to Chris to see if he can join this thread.

What I am doing:
I will be teaching (am teaching) quantity first with an abacus. I’ve introduced the JG numerals 0-9, and only count forwards and back 0-10 with him, but I don’t plan to go further until I feel he has a good handle on understanding quantity above that.

The Right Start method recommends starting the child to name 11 as not “eleven” but “one ten one”, so 47 would be “four tens seven”… They suggest that you do this for a few weeks as it helps the child understand place value. Then you go back to naming them “properly”. Apparently it’s an easy transition. It is at this point that I will change my number line and number counting practice from 0-20 and then jump whole heartedly into JG.

So far, I really like Right Start as a “behind the scenes” program. I will be using the JG program as the main course, but will supplement with the abacus training as well. They use a different style of abacus - if you google Right Start abacus you’ll find it.

In the mean time, I’m confident that Chris will respond as quickly as he can.

Hi,
The question has been brought up about the use of the Matrix beyond nine.
There really is no need. Addition and subtraction of mult-digit numbers
are done column by column so one never needs to add or subtract more
than one single digit at a time when learning the basics. For this initial
stage they only need to know the Matrix (or to have it already printed on
the digits) and to be able to count forward and backward 0-20.

You are certainly right the transition to double digits is potentially confusing
but remember this is the whole basis of the decimal (10 digits 0-9) system
which enables us to specify an infinity of quantities with only 10 digits.
Like anything else, once grasped it is simple. Just be regular in teaching
and pointing out place value. These are exactly the kind of topics we
deal with in the online Early Learning class. It is a great pleasure for
me to interact with the parents weekly. Hope to see you there.
Dr Jones & Chris.

Please remember we still have discounts for the Early Leaning Online Classes next classes start Jan 17th.

Please email me with any questions chris@jonesgeniuses.com or telephone 817 718 8822

We love the feedback you give us & rest assured we do listen & put into practice any suggestions if possible.
Regards,
Chris

interesting… thanks kizudo and Jones program for answering my question.

Dr. Jones was so helpful recently letting me know that I should color each number consistently to aid with memory (I must have missed this part initially). I was trying to read up on this tonight and that I ever doubted, but he really does know his stuff!

It won’t let me cut and paste anything, but here’s some interesting reading on the relationship between color and numbers. http://www.colormatters.com/research/cberlin.pdf

I redid my flashcards last night, they seem so natural colored this way because we have been watching Meet the Numbers as part of our regular rotation for about a year. It’s such a logical conclusion to continue with those colors, I have no idea why it didn’t occur to me in the first place.


A fascinating article! Karma to you TMT! Although the study did not find a relationship between visualising number forms and greater mathematica ability, it did point to the relationship between creativity and mathematical ability. It looks like colouring the numbers could be a great idea when teaching visual creative learners.

I skimmed interesting parts last night and a bit more this morning. I would think in general that because babies and toddlers are so Right Brain dominant, they are ALL very creative and imaginative so this would be a good way to teach them. (The Tweedlewink program really addresses this, emphasizes imaginative play and guided imagery. etc)

According to this article regarding babies and synesthesia http://www.livescience.com/health/050222_synesthesia.html

Maurer and Mondloch hypothesize that if these connections between the senses are functional, as some experiments suggest, then infants should experience the world in a way that is similar to synesthetic adults. In a variation of this theory, babies don't have five distinct senses but rather one all-encompassing sense that responds to the total amount of incoming stimulation. So when a baby hears her mother's voice, she is also seeing it and smelling it.

(side note: this is very interesting food for thought in regards to perfect pitch in babies and adults describing it as being able to “hear in color”)

Anyway, I would think that by possibly helping “imprint” the numbers in a consistent color at such a young age, you could strongly encourage number-color association which is supposed to act as a memory aid. Makes sense to me. I think it would also spur creativity in a sense because you are applying abstract concepts to symbolic thinking…pretty advanced when you stop to think about it.

If the theory holds true, every time the child sees that number in the future, they would have an association with that color. If this DID spur creativity by triggering mathematical imagination in the visual parts of their brains, then they could become stronger in math according to the first study posted. This is a leap, but not that far.

Also, if there is a strong correlation b/w creativity and math ability like this study claims, then like reading, it is far better to begin YOUNG while they are RB dominant.

Seems kind of like a great big circle to me and I see no downside to adding number-color correlation into our math program, only potentially huge payoffs for my kids.

I’d like to buy this soon and paint it to match http://www.lakeshorelearning.com/seo/ca|productSubCat~~p|JJ557~~f|/Assortments/Lakeshore/ShopByCategory/mathematics/viewall.jsp

I am going repaint my other manipulatives too and have my kids practice coloring the numbers just like practicing placing the dots to reinforce the association, but it should already be fairly strong from the video.

Here is another interesting article published in the journal Psychological Science (a publication of the Association for Psychological Society).

http://www.medindia.net/news/Hypnosis-can-Induce-Synesthesia-Study-43347-2.htm

It discusses hypnosis induced synesthesia & “cross talk” within the brain. So I don’t see why it could not be encouraged while starting young. I am not implying that a a true “induced” synesthesia can be created if not born with it, but it seems plausible that a very strong and useful color-number association could be encouraged if you started young enough while the brain still has a high level of plasticity.

http://www.medindia.net/news/Hypnosis-can-Induce-Synesthesia-Study-43347-1.htm

http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2006/05/could_all_babies_be_synesthete.php