Interesting article from ABC Oz teen math prodigy off'd place @ cambridge uni

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Teen maths prodigy offered Cambridge place

A 14-year-old maths prodigy has been offered a place at Cambridge
University which, if he accepts, would make him the youngest student there
for almost 230 years.

Arran Fernandez, who lives in Surrey outside London, passed exams set by
the university last year and he now only needs to pass his A-level physics
exam to enrol.

In the British educational system, A-levels are commonly taken by
18-year-old students, but Arran Fernandez - who was home-educated - has
already passed the exams in maths and further maths.

His father, Neil Fernandez, says if his son takes the place at Fitzwilliam
College, he will be the youngest undergraduate at Cambridge since William
Pitt the Younger studied there aged 14 in 1773 and went on to become prime
minister.

“Fitzwilliam College decided to make Arran a conditional offer after
considering his application very carefully,” said David Cardwell, who will
be teaching the boy.

“The college looks forward to welcoming Arran in October 2010 should he
meet his offer, and to helping him develop and fulfil his considerable
academic potential.”

Arran first hit the headlines in 2001 when he took a GCSE maths exam -
normally taken by 16-year-olds - at the age of five.

“Maths has been my favourite subject for as long as I can remember,” said
the teenager, who aspires to become a research mathematician.

“There are a few things I want to work on,” he said, adding that he would
“like the solve the Riemann hypothesis” - a theory about the patterns of
prime numbers that has baffled the greatest mathematicians for 150 years.

  • AFP

Tags: education, human-interest, united-kingdom, england

ABC (Moderator):

  08 Jan 2010 9:03:58am


  Are 14-year-olds too young to go to university?


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        OurCognitiveSurplus:


        08 Jan 2010 9:11:59am


        Go for it. What else is he going to do if he has passed school?
        I can't think of anything better than going to uni.


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        Dad:


        08 Jan 2010 9:12:39am


        No. Good on him. He could be the next Einstein, Feynman or
        Hawking.


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        ingenuous:


        08 Jan 2010 9:14:36am


        Mathematics is full of harmless cranks. University is a
        generally nicer place than the real world. I say "Good on him!"
        and hope he gets in. He will thrive there.


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              Tim:


              08 Jan 2010 12:16:23pm


              Exactly. If there is any field where a prodigy can
              flourish while being young it is in mathematics. It lacks
              the social pressures of other courses and allows the
              academically hyper-focused to concentrate on their study.
              Given that most major theorems have been discovered by
              men under 25 it's a field for the young more than any
              other.

              But only time will tell whether or not he makes a huge
              impact or not. Just because you can learn early and
              quickly does not mean you have the depth of understanding
              to unravel the big mathematical problems.


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        pabs:


        08 Jan 2010 9:15:47am


        I think he might be too young. It depends whether he is
        emotionally and socially mature enough to endure university
        study. But then, if he is that bright he might be wrapped in
        cotton wool, protecting him from a potentially harsh
        environment. Good luck to him!


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              spin sick:


              08 Jan 2010 10:55:35am


              While I agree with the emotional concerns.... whats the
              alternative? Holding him back is clearly not one of them.


              I just hope that his parents and the university help him
              to learn the social and emotional aspects of life.

              If you have the talent it must be nurtured and allowed to
              advance. I notice that we have just had a 15 playing in
              the Hopman Cup for England and there is a 16 year old
              circum-navigating the planet - maybe kids playing in the
              adult world is more common than we think!!


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                    M:


                    08 Jan 2010 11:12:10am


                    I think child prodigies are still rare. We just
                    hear about them more these days thanks to mass
                    media and the Internet.


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        Gilligan:


        08 Jan 2010 9:15:55am


        He obviously has the academic smarts but most likely will lack
        the social savvy to really benefit from all that a University
        has to offer.

        Education is more than academic brilliance and will be wasted
        on this youngster, sad really.


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              Arthur:


              08 Jan 2010 11:11:22am


              Of course if he is at Uni for 10 years or more he will
              have matured quite sufficiently to have some good
              immature grown up fun.


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              scotto:


              08 Jan 2010 12:07:42pm


              There are plenty of older people whom lack 'social savvy'
              too...


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              Jake:


              08 Jan 2010 12:08:57pm


              Of course he's too young to waste half his time at uni at
              the bar so he'll probably do very, very well and have
              shining career prospects by the time he's old enough to
              have his first drink to celebrate. Good on him.


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              Realist:


              08 Jan 2010 2:20:18pm


              Note that mathematics isn't arts, so therefore by doing a
              real degree he will have no time nor need for
              socialising.


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              Gilligan:


              08 Jan 2010 3:44:49pm


              I wonder why the responses all assume that I thought he
              might be sitting at or in the bar? Says a lot about
              people does that... but what about sports, drama, liberal
              arts, philosphy and the classics, thats really where I
              was alluding to him not having an opportunity to spread
              his wings and grow as an individual.

              Maths is great and he is obviously a very talented kid,
              envy is my middle name, but unless he can see outside of
              that sphere then we may not benefit from him, nor he
              himslef benefit, as much as he might with a wider social
              savvy!


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        Leaping Antidote:


        08 Jan 2010 9:31:30am


        Don't know, depends on the individual I suppose. However I DO
        know that in the 1930's my father at 16 was refused entry to
        study engineering at Birmingham University on account of his
        age....seems silly now.


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        Roy G Biv:


        08 Jan 2010 10:16:13am


        It's been said that, in the field of mathematics, most trully
        original work is done before the age of 25, after that people
        tend to just build on their previous achievements. It's not
        laziness, just that as the brain matures it may lose a certain
        plasticity that suits original mathematics.

        So this kid could effectively double his peak working life.


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        Lucy:


        08 Jan 2010 11:57:30am


        A brain like that should not be wasted.

        He'll have social issues anyway being that smart with success
        so young. So he may as well make the most of talent and live
        his own choices, rather than dumb himself down to be able to
        make a couple of friends his own age that will loose touch when
        they head off to uni.

        Different things come to different people at different times.
        We owe it to ourselves to take the opportunities when they
        present.


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        Arsenio le Voyeur:


        08 Jan 2010 12:11:14pm


        Well if parents are prepared to pack them off on solo trips
        around the World what's wrong with University?


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  meg:


  08 Jan 2010 9:14:23am


  Socially - Yes.
  Academically - of course not.

  If the appropriate support structures are in place to assist this
  young person on a social level -
  university seems to be the best possible place for this gifted young
  person. If he has the emotional intelligence required to exist in
  adult world, success will be his on all levels. Good luck to him (if
  this is what he really wants)


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        Mr Burns:


        08 Jan 2010 10:49:43am


        It seems that 230 years ago it was right but our industrial age
        education system has made it wrong. Some children are held back
        a year because they don't get it. Many many more children are
        disadvantaged because they are not advanced when they do get
        it.

    
       08 Jan 2010 11:10:57am


        having a high IQ and a talent for maths does not exempt one
        from the usual trials of adolescent hormones

        there are many child prodigies who never lived up to their
        potential for these kinds of reasons


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        Steve:


        08 Jan 2010 11:33:23am


        I agree, and find comments about social 'maturity' even more
        amusing given what many undergraduates actually get up to.


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  R See 1:


  08 Jan 2010 11:07:52am


  I was at Uni at 15 although turned 16 early in the academic year. It
  was no big deal. I probably did not have as serious a dose of the
  smarts as he has, so I say - go for it.

  Uni will help him expand his horizons..........it tends to do that to
  most individuals!! As others have said - Uni is not just about
  academic achievement, it is also about [ hopefully] exposure to
  ideas, thinking and a wide array of people, even some sport and
  recreation.


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  Katie C 14 Years Old:


  08 Jan 2010 11:14:21am


  Good on him! WOW what a accomplishment, if he is that smart then he
  might be bored at school, so why not, well done Arran!


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  Frustrated:


  08 Jan 2010 11:43:14am


  14 is not too young. Why do people want to prevent someone else's
  opportunity?
  Of course in Australia any such opportunity is entirely Verboten by a
  nanny state bureaucracy. My own son, 8, is prevented from even taken
  maths at the next grade level by the over zealous (or possibly plain
  lazy) ACT education bureaucracy.


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        Another angle:


        08 Jan 2010 1:46:54pm


        I was offered to go up a year level at my school but my mum
        didn't let me. I was angry at first, but looking back I
        couldn't be happier. My fort was maths as well and I don't know
        how many good experiences I would have missed out on if I
        hadn't have had a bit of time to "waste" while others worked.
        It was my social skills that needed to developing not my maths
        and maths classes became the perfect platform for me to chill
        out and talk to people. Obviously to get away with it you need
        to be more or less talking about maths and so I just naturally
        went into teaching my class mates. There are a lot of dodgy
        maths teachers out there and I often ended up teaching myself
        and then my friends. Teaching the concepts helped me to
        understand them better, I made life-long friends and it added
        to my confidence. Even more importantly than that though, it
        introduced me to the high of doing things for other people.

        So why is it that so many people think it is a great idea to
        rush through education. Taking it as it came gave me so much!
        Childhood is a part of life many would go back to if they could
        and as school is the last fortress of childhood in our society
        why cut it off at the knees?


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  Catch22:


  08 Jan 2010 12:13:15pm


  Considering the previous person holding the record went on to become
  prime minister, I can't see that it would be a problem.


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  Carl:


  08 Jan 2010 12:43:04pm


  No way should he go! Whoever said he's mature is insane! He's smart,
  no doubt, but intelligence is not wisdom or experience... Every kid I
  know who went up a single year at school had massive social problems.
  He's skipping 4 years and entering an adults world! What an absolute
  waste of a great mind to be thrown into something so specific before
  his mind has a chance to broaden. The poor guy won't get a chance to
  taste life!


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  Liz:


  08 Jan 2010 1:30:48pm


  I suspect that behind this child is a pushy ambitious parent who has
  protected him from having to mix with a normal school population in
  case of behavioural contamination. Most child prodigy's were
  conditioned by an over zealous parent from an early age . Is this
  really in the child's interest?


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  More Frustrated:


  08 Jan 2010 1:34:08pm


  I was offered to go up a year level in my school and my mum didn't
  let me. I was angry about it at first but looking back I couldn't be
  gladder. My fort was maths as well and I don't know how many good
  friends I would have missed out on if I hadn't had a bit of time to
  "waste" while other people worked. It wasn't my maths that needed
  developing it was my social skills and Maths classes became a
  fantastic opportunity to just chill and talk quietly with others.
  Obviously to be having a chat in your maths class you need to be more
  or less talking about maths (lest the teacher gives you detention)
  and so I just got into teaching my fellow class mates. There are some
  crap maths teachers out there and I often taught myself how to do
  things and then went on to teach my friends. Teaching the concepts
  helped me understand them better, I made life long friends and I was
  able to start tutoring people in maths for good money the second I
  left school but even more importantly than that it introduced me to
  the high of doing something for someone else!

  So why is it that so many people think that rushing through your
  education is a good thing? Childhood is a part of our lives many of
  us would go back to if we could and as school is the last stronghold
  of childhood why cut it off at the knees?


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  WS:


  08 Jan 2010 2:02:37pm


  It would depend on the 14 year old, of course. If I were considering
  Arran for candidacy, I'd ask for an interview to check that he could
  handle the social environment with everyone being years older than
  him, and the pressure that a degree at a university like Cambridge
  can place on someone. But otherwise, sure.

  I would suggest that there would be some way for him to associate
  with people his own age, but that's up to him and his parents, not
  the university administration.


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  Angela:


  08 Jan 2010 2:11:13pm


  No he is not to young not with the talent he has, he is interested in
  Mathematics which for most of us is a challenge, well done to this
  young man and I wish him all the best.

  Only a small minority have this kind of talent who are we all to stop
  them going and starting out earlier.


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  wayne:


  08 Jan 2010 2:44:38pm


  I just think it was odd to see a mathematical mistake in the article.
  Here's to study!


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  trog:


  08 Jan 2010 3:00:14pm


  all very good, but a girl from my school won a scolarship in
  history/english to either oxford or cambridge (it was a looong time
  ago) at an early age and did have some problems coping with the
  environment. last i heard, she was doing some relatively mundane job.


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  gazza1:


  08 Jan 2010 3:26:29pm


  If Arran Fernandez is really a boy-genius, he would be wasting his
  time through the standard schooling system.

  Go for it, mate and good on you!

some more comments

Having assisted gifted students in accelerated programs for
        years the only factor to consider is whether the people around
        the child are prepared for the day when normalisation occurs in
        the kids early 20's. Around that time academically the
        knowledge / ability gap is usually closed, the prodigy is no
        longer special and no longer being special is devastating.


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  Dylo:


  08 Jan 2010 9:22:09am


  I think so, but then some people are just special.. i still think its
  a little sad a young boy spending the best years of his life working
  out maths problems. each to their own though and good luck to him


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        ingenuous:


        08 Jan 2010 10:17:35am


        They don't harness you to a wheel and make you do maths until
        you drop! Mathematics is amazingly satisfying if you have an
        interest in it. Why is it sad when someone gets to do a lot of
        his favourite thing and also make a career out of it? What
        should he be doing instead?


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  Mark W:


  08 Jan 2010 9:26:57am


  What a fantastic opportunity for Arran and I wish him all the best.
  We should be encouraging our best students and giving them every
  opportunity to advance as these are the people who will solve
  tomorrows problems and produce a better future for us all.
  To often the bright students are held back with money and resources
  spent on those that lack the talent and work ethic to succeed.


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  Albert:


  08 Jan 2010 9:28:28am


  14 is not too young.
  It's not our decision.
  Many are unaware of the value of mathematics, without it we have NO
  space travel and NO internet.


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  MT:


  08 Jan 2010 10:00:59am


  he will need quite a lot of special treatment if he is to manage
  socially and emotionally over the next few years


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  Nice:


  08 Jan 2010 10:07:45am


  If he invents an OS that is actually stable or faster internet or a
  cure for cancer whats the harm? We have been sadly lacking in real
  academic brilliance for many many years now. It would be nice for
  another giant to take the field and make the others lift their game.
  It takes about 3 months for an academic to produce a HERDC journal
  publication? What a load of crollop.



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        MT:


        08 Jan 2010 10:53:54am


        lacking in real brilliance for many years now?

        what rubbish!

        how about our very own Fields medal winner Terence Tau?

        or Grigori Perelman?

        the world has never had so many geniuses as it has now


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              Gilligan:


              08 Jan 2010 3:39:48pm


              "the world has never had so many geniuses as it has
              now"... wow, and look at the mess we've created. Less
              genius might then be a better solution :<)


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        Dr D:


       

      

              

              Is that a case of the writing being both original and
              interesting... the original bits not interesting and the
              interesting bits not original?


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  Ideas Man:


  08 Jan 2010 10:15:32am


  If a 14 year old Joan of Arc could lead the French Army to win the
  battle over Brittain, why can't a an obviously mature child be
  enrolled at Uni. It is interesting to see that he was home schooled.

  If he had gone to school, I could only assume he would be the
  brightest in the class and labelled a geek , pet and outsider. Some
  dull witted teacher would not of had the energy to elevate him higher
  than the status quo.


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        Ed:


        08 Jan 2010 10:27:49am


        If he had gone to school he would by now be scribbling graffiti
        on the backs of bus seats.

        I do not think he will be socially too immature. In my
        experience university students spend most of their time in a
        drunken stupor having sex with each other. Twice a year they
        awake bleary eyed to cram for exams.

        I think Aaron will do just fine.


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        MT:


        08 Jan 2010 10:56:34am


        Its a bit rude to label teachers who are not geniuses 'dull
        witted'

        schools are not well suited to maximise the potential of people
        who are well outside the norm. Its not the fault of the average
        teacher who has many other ordinary kids to cope with.


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              Aims:


              08 Jan 2010 12:47:41pm


              I think you'll find Ideas Man wasn't calling all teachers
              'dull witted'... just pointing out that its much more
              demanding for teachers to adjust programs to accommodate
              highly intelligent students. Some schools have talent
              programs for students with significant potential. For
              those (many) schools that do not offer this, it is up to
              the teacher to extend the student to their full potential
              and this involves drafting alternative lesson plans. Do
              they get paid to do this extra work? No. Are they thanked
              for their time? No.. so unfortunately, unless you are
              lucky enough to have a particularly selfless and
              energetic teacher you are unlikely to be extended if you
              do happen to be one of those special kids who race
              through the lesson and digest information quickly.


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  granny:


  08 Jan 2010 10:26:09am


  Seeing that he was home educated, I hope he has developed the social
  skills needed. Go for it.


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  kenj:


  08 Jan 2010 10:45:16am


  Good luck to the young guy, but he is still not in the same league as
  Australia's own Terry Tao who was doing university mathematics from
  the age of 11, competed in the world maths olympiad at ages 10,11 and
  12 (winning bronze, silver and gold respectively). Tao was ready for
  university maths at 11 but was held back for social reasons. He
  earned his BA at 15, his masters at 16 and his PhD from Princeton at
  19. By 23 he was the youngest fully tenured professor ever at UCLA
  and later went on to win the prestigious Fields Medal, the
  mathematical equivalent of the Nobel Prize. Most professional, high
  level mathematicians might produce 3 or 4 high quality maths papers a
  year -- Tao averages about 60! That will give some idea of his
  genius. Getting into uni at a young age is not the challenge; doing
  something when you get there is. It will be interesting to see if
  this young man is up to it. Good luck to him.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao


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  sevanclaig:


  08 Jan 2010 10:48:18am


  Am I the only one who finds it amusing that so many repsondents here
  and there (adults, I presume) are concerned that the 14 year old
  prodigy lacks some specific level of social development or maturity
  to attend university at his age.
  What?
  Suddenly these folks assume themselves capable of making expert
  analysis of 14 year old math phenoms- from their own previous
  experience as what, pray tell- as 14 year old kids who couldn't
  remember to wipe the snot from their noses at the table much less
  master algebra 101?


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