Piano Wizard

Hellene,

There IS a way to disagree without being disagreeable. I had solfege through Don’s work for 4 years, along with Kodaly, and looked at “fixed do” solutions when I sang in a choir in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and felt, and still feel, that it has the same strengths and weaknesses of music notation. In other words, if you leave out the sharps and flats (white keys) it is a simple place to start, but as soon as you begin to sing in other keys with sharps and flats, or modulate, you begin to find the limits of the system, and the confusion begins, in other words, it leads you right into the bushes where people get lost. Also, in the US, solfege names (do, re, mi) are not the primary way to describe the musical alphabet, and we did start here, not in Europe, so we started with what was familiar here. Her question was if we would be supporting solfege in our game, and perhaps I gave a larger than necessary explanation of the challenges of using ANY system of note naming, which is at the heart of the simplicity of our system. We simply don’t address it at first. We teach them music. Not the “grammar” of music, or even the names of the notes. Music. Sounds they can play instantly and perfectly. We don’t have to teach them the colors, they know that. Only later do we introduce the note names, notation, finger numbers, etc. Why “note names”? Again, starting in the US we went with the convention here. Just as I can learn the solfege names in a sitting, so can people learn the alphabet system. What I don’t have is any sacred attachment to nomenclature, nor am I in any way a musical snob about the “correct” descriptions. These are conventions, like languages, and are either useful or not, clarifying or not. When it comes to music, I am not an aristocrat, I am a peasant with great love and appreciation of music. I am also Irish descent, and we are an irreverent bunch.

The examples in the posts above point to the dizzying array of “names” or ways to describe a scale or note, (and they cite at least 6 total approaches to solfege alone), and we learned them all interchangeably working with Don, because he treated them as spokes of the wheel of the song, the more ways you “knew” the song the better you knew it. Different angles and viewpoints on the same piece of music, some more common, others more clear, all shedding some light on the relationships or tying you back to conventional terms and language. That repetition through variation is at the heart of our programs approach, one variation we left out was the use of solfege, because of the kinds of frankly silly postures some people take on “which” solfege is correct, and we felt it would only confuse at this stage, and least within the game. Our program leverages song very well, but it is not a professional solfege training tool, and we again treat it like a tool, not a be all end all solution, so add as much solfege as you wish, but these are the questions and challenges you will find on that path. These are the kinds of extras we intend to introduce to users through our teleconference bonuses, where they can ask questions live on things that we understand but are outside the scope of the game and the coursework.

I did look at your article and suggest it as a resource to anyone wanting to learn more about solfege, as I would recommend the Wikipedia link I supplied. (I find your comment about the “Dark Ages” funny because that was when solfege started, but I digress. . .)

Once again, I suggest that you share your knowledge and approach in as positive a light as you can, and let it speak on its own merits rather than attack something because it is “not yours” or “different”, and assume that is is therefore inferior. It is “different” but that is its appeal, it breaks new ground and defrosts some of the frigid attitudes and practices that have kept us bound for too long.

For example, a different response to my post might have been . . .

"Chris,

I found your posts on solfege very interesting, My experience is that you CAN introduce it very easily, and here are the ways to do that, and the positive effects I found with using that approach . . … Here is how we use it with SoftMozart, etc., etc., etc."[/i]

In this way you can contribute, instead of demean, be an expert and teacher, instead of , well, whatever this is.

We just disagree on some things, and frankly are in alignment on a lot more than not. Your characterizing our disagreements of approach as somehow dangerous, selfish, greedy, smooth talking are not fair or true. I think our disagreements are INTERESTING and STIMULATING, and we should be passionate, but not mean. Once again, I invite you to speak passionately, clearly, deeply about what you have, and if we discuss different approaches, lets do it with respect and appreciation of someone else who is trying to bring music to the world.

Thanks again,

Chris

all what you try to do is to replace real education with gimmick tricks and many words
it could fly with this poor uneducated people, but won’t with me
sorry
gimmick is your word

To our dearest BrillKids Forum members,

First off, I would like to apologize for perhaps being a little too lax and a little too late to reply to these topics - they have been strewn all across our forum, and having such a big community places me at a disadvantage where I am not able to go through each and every new post and sift it with a fine-tooth comb.

But my inability to read through all of your messages doesn’t mean I do not care, nor does it mean that I will allow one member - regardless of stature, position, or expertise - to needlessly attack another simply because one views the world as black and white and the other sees it with as many shades of gray as there possibly could be.

By now, you would all know that I am pertaining to the discussions between Hellene of Soft Mozart and Chris of Piano Wizard.

Although I had valued the earlier posts because of their effort to educate those of us here who are not as well-versed in music and teaching music to our children, I’m afraid that the last few exchanges have been unnecessarily acuate. I use the word “cutting” because although one is free to stress an opinion here in our forum, one must still take extra care to be tolerant of others, whether because of a different idea, a different opinion, or a different point of view coming from a different background or experience.

There is a fine line between writing here in the forum to educate or promote an idea (which we are not against in any way) and cutting down people’s idea to say they are completely wrong or ignorant (which I personally am VERY against.)

To those of you who may ask why I am writing this: I feel that these conversations we have been having have CROSSED THIS LINE.

This tone of writing has - and I am speaking for most of the members here - turned off a lot of people, not only to the aforementioned product and way of teaching which one of you have been so adamantly proclaiming is the ONLY TRUE WAY, but also to our community in general. Many members have written to me about these goings-on, and for the sake of this community which I am administrating, I have no choice but to say something.

And for this, I would like for us to call a temporary truce. By truce, I mean that I would like to request for the aggressor to please stand down and stop these unnecessary attacks. By aggressor, I mean you Hellene.

Far be it for me to defend just one way of thinking or teaching, it is true that there is a way - A KIND WAY - to talk to and educate people. As we have said before, you are free to talk about your products and educate the people here. But NO, you are not free to attack anyone here just because they think differently.

Please consider this as a SOFT WAY of asking you, Hellene, to please return to talking about your own products and the way your own method works for teaching. Please desist from attacking other people’s point of view. Let the other members decide for themselves what method they will like the best and what methods work for their children. Should I find any other demeaning posts, I will implement a soft ban on your account as a way of sanction. So as not leave any of our current members “in the desert,” this is a way to “teach” even you that actions which cause harm to others should be dealt with. I also believe this is the not the first warning you have ever been given, so i do hope you listen.

To Chris and most especially to all of our members, I have just read through every single post, and again I apologize for not having said anything sooner.

Please feel free to PM me about your reactions to this post, and I will gladly reply to you to clarify in case there is anything vague about it.

Thank you everyone for your cooperation. :blush: Let’s try to keep our forum a happy place to be in and a great place to learn from, free of intolerance, prejudice, and close-mindedness.

Here is a “grid” view of music, that is the heart of the Piano Wizard Academy technology. This is NOT a screen shot of Piano Wizard Academy, but another manifestation of MIDI technology and how it can illuminate musical elements in different ways. Plus it is an amazing movement from the “Thanksgiving” quartet of Beethoven. You can see the mind of Beethoven in living color, and it is a great starting point to move toward understanding music notation, which is a less intuitive and more obscure way of representing the same music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxmhpaq6I4E&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Enjoy!

Thanks

Chris

For those of you following some of the discussions on Piano Wizard, there is an update to Brillkids Piano Wizard Academy Offer

http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-child-music/how-can-music-dramatically-affect-your-child’s-development-and-lifetime-success/msg63964/#msg63964

Hello Chris,
I have been unsuccessfully trying to load the demo version of PW over the past couple of weeks. After I leave my details in the grid and choose “PW” out of the list, a new window opens advising me to wait till the game loads. I have now left it to load for about 30 minutes it still shows 0% progress. I tried to leave a query for the support team, but I got an error message, so I thought I would try to contact you here and ask for help. Thank you in advance.

Dear Mum,

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to do, do you mean update the game? Were you then trying to reach support through the game? In any case, the easiest solution is to email Myko at support@musicwizard.com, and copy me, at Chris@musicwizard.com. He is back in the saddle after having his first baby, and he will be able to take care of you quickly.

Happy New Year!

Thanks

Chris

Thank you very much for getting back so quickly, Chris. Now that my daughter got a keyboard as a Christmas present from her grandparents, I simply would like to try the demo PW on the website to see if my daughter takes to it. Buying the full version of PW would be a VERY big investment for us, and, although I have no doubt it is a great product, I need to make sure my daughter thinks so too. :slight_smile:

Are you referring to the online demo, without the keyboard? You should be able to enter your name and email at www.musicwizard.com and get access to those, but to be honest it will not be like playing the actual game. Manipulating the mouse or typing keys is harder than actually playing the color coded key on a digital piano. I understand the concern, but we offer a 60 day unconditional guarantee, and the full program with the Academy Quickstart DVD alone will give you immediate results that will be undeniable and amazing. You can purchase it without a keyboard and save $100, or more with shipping being less. Also, Don and Delayna’s teleconferences will start in January, and you will enjoy that bonus very much, they can guide you through any nuance or questions you may have personally, as they designed the course.

If you want to check out our payment plan, email Mary Menger, our office manager, at mmenger@musicwizard.com and she can see if you qualify. Compared to piano lessons, it will be saving you money immediately. So, in other words, while not cheap, it is very economical and effective.

As for the joy of playing and learning alongside your children? Priceless.

Thanks

Chris

Thank you, Chris, I did not realise the demo did not require a keyboard. Is there a way to only buy the software?

We sell the Academy package without the keyboard as an option at the bottom of the Brillkids link and special, for $397, that includes all the bonuses and is your best option if music education is the goal, and as I indicated, you can contact Mary at our office to see if you qualify for our payment plan as well.

Thanks

Chris

The Yamaha Method- additional info on Solfege
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryN9yNsX5A8&feature=&p=11985F859BF637BA&index=0&playnext=1
Ear First
The Yamaha Method employs “Fixed-Do” solfège (without altered syllables) in both ear training and keyboard activities. Fixed-Do enables a child to connect a specific pitch and syllable, such as middle Do (middle C), with a specific key on the keyboard. Aural training using Fixed-Do helps children internalize pitch, resulting in a strong relative pitch sense and, in many cases, perfect pitch. Consequently, in JMC classes one will observe students singing solfège by ear and eventually playing keyboard by ear.
Solfège is the core of the Yamaha Method; students absorb this musical vocabulary and use it in both beginning and advanced courses. Solfège becomes each student’s first musical voice. In every class, teachers sing melodic patterns and chords that children imitate. Solfège sessions at the teacher’s piano account for approximately 15 to 20 minutes of a 60minute class. Through singing solfège, students begin to acquire a sense of pitch, rhythm, meter, harmony, form, phrase structure, key, articulation, dynamics and mood.
By the end of two years in JMC, students have built a substantial vocabulary of solfège, having sung 50 melodies and numerous chord progressions using the I, IV and V7 chords in the keys of C major, G major, F major, D minor and A minor. Aside from developing musicianship, these solfège experiences prepare children to play in these five keys. In fact, children experience singing in a key for approximately one semester prior to playing in that key.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihg9KA7bE5U&list=PL11985F859BF637BA&index=2&playnext=2

Interesting videos, that school seems quite nurturing. Singing is a vital part of any music studies, it trains the ears, and sofege is a great place to start. The “Fixed do” gives a good sense of key, but the trade off is when you wander into modulations or complex minor scales, it no longer “maps” one to one on pitch, you are adjusting for the song but the actual notes are different even within the same song as you flatten or sharp a note, they have the same syllable. Still, since so much is built around the major scale, its relative minor and the modes, it can take you very far. On the keyboard side I did not see much different than has been done for hundreds of years, it still seemed to be reading sheet music. I watched both videos and did not see much keyboard work that was unique or different, but these videos seemed to be showing off the solfege aspect.
I tried working with Yamaha several times, but they are quite rigid to work with as a company, quite slow to make decisions, and very Japanese in their approach to decisions. I will make my annual attempt again this year to see if I can break through, as they are an excellent company in many ways. They actually have a completely different educational division called Music In Education (MIE) that deals with schools that is much more flexible and innovative, but the two divisions hardly talk let alone cooperate, at least that was the case a few years ago.
I really enjoyed viewing these, as I have been curious to see some classwork, and how they actually work. I suspect that each school is dependent on the actual teachers to bring the methods alive, as is always the case. A good teacher can overcome almost any method or materials, and a bad one can mangle the best if they try!
I don’t know who posted this, but thanks, it was interesting.
Chris

Oh!

I just saw your post. Thank goodness I see some respect for Solfegio,

Yes, this is Yamaha’s big winning point!

Chris (Salter), just to let you know that the link to PW webinars provided in the e-mail on Monday appears to be broken (there is a dot missing or something). I figured it should be this one:

http://www.pianowizardacademy.com/webinar/ ??

As the times are not convenient for me due to the time difference, will it possible to see the recordings?

Chris, with the 60 day unconditional guarantee, I understand the costs of shipping both ways would have to be borne by the buyer. Am I right?Thank you.

Chris, our private school received the first part of our order of 8 sets. So far we are so very impressed with the quality of this product. The keyboards are amazing. I will do a follow up and also post some videos of our students learning and using the program. Again thank you for all your support and help .

Kindly,
Susan Khan
www.discovery-academy.org

I checked the webinar, it seems to be working, perhaps your browser had issues, I was using Firefox. As for the time difference, I will have to see if I can get you a link.

Thanks

Chris

Thank you for the kind words, email me if you have any issues, and be sure to log in to the teleconference to hear the Beatties and share your experiences.

Thanks

Chris

I believe that we send a special code to use to ship it back, I will check with our support team.

Thanks

Chris